Bills Aimed at Locking Down the Surveillance State's Overreach

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    The NY Times editorial board weighed in to endorse H.R.2818 - The Surveillance State Repeal Act, in a piece entitled "Close the N.S.A.'s Back Doors" in its widely distributed Sunday edition from 9/21/2013. The board stated bluntly that "It deserves full Congressional support," after reiterating the information that they, along with The Guardian and ProPublica had reported previously:

    H.R. 2818, The Surveillance State Repeal Act was introduced to the House of Representatives on 07/24/2013 by Rush Holt (D-NJ) does the following:

    1. Repeals the USA PATRIOT Act and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008.
    2. Extends from 7 to 10 years the maximum term of FISA judges. Makes such judges eligible for redesignation.
    3. Permits FISA courts to appoint special masters to advise on technical issues raised during proceedings.
    4. Requires orders approving certain electronic surveillance to direct that, upon request of the applicant, any person or entity must furnish all information, facilities, or technical assistance necessary to accomplish such surveillance in a manner to protect its secrecy and produce a minimum of interference with the services that such carrier, landlord, custodian, or other person is providing the target of such surveillance.
    5. Prohibits information relating to a U.S. person from being acquired pursuant to FISA without a valid warrant based on probable cause.
    6. Prohibits the federal government from requiring manufacturers of electronic devices and related software to build in mechanisms allowing the federal government to bypass encryption or privacy technology.
    7. Directs the Comptroller General (GAO) to report annually on the federal government's compliance with FISA.
    8. Permits an employee of or contractor to an element of the intelligence community with knowledge of FISA-authorized programs and activities to submit a covered complaint to the Comptroller General, to the House or Senate intelligence committees, or in accordance with a process under the National Security Act of 1947 with respect to reports made to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community.

    While provisions 1, 5,6, and 8 may seem particularly tantalizing to privacy advocates, and thus worthy of full congressional support, a more thorough examination of the implications proves this bill was NOT designed with them in mind. It allows for the continued unconstitutional activity engaged in by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, extends the Judges' terms, and, in essence, codifies into law their abilities to continue allowing the NSA to do exactly what they have been doing through negating provision 6 with provision 4 and giving the FISC the exact same powers with regard to issuing and extending warrants in provision 5.

    Yes, absolutely, provision 1 should be undertaken, but on it's own. Until this occurs, the USA CANNOT continue to label itself "The Land of the Free." However, allowing the FISC to continue to act as a parallel to the Supreme Court, with only the Senate intelligence committee and select members of the executive branch allowed to know what they're doing while not being allowed to inform those who they represent when there's a problem or redefinition of law negates this bill's ability to get at the crux of The Problem that Snowden and others exposed.

    A repeal of the USA PATRIOT act and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 is a necessity, but this bill allows the Surveillance State to lumber on in a new legal sense, white-washes it's undeniable demands to tech companies and allows those companies to appease their shareholders through a propaganda campaign based around a straw-man of "We used our lobbying power to block the government from forcing us to incorporate back-doors," when in reality, all it's done is forced gag-ruled compliance to demands from the FISC on behalf of the intelligence agencies.

    It's sneaky, and it's passage will probably go a long way towards mending fences with the only people who really matter to the politicians in this case - The intelligence community, the Military Industrial Complex behemoths that profit from their findings, and wealthy tech and telecom giants that love to buddy up to government in private if it means contracts, but whose reputations have been severely tarnished by their complicity.

    [It's interesting to note here that Rush Holt's (D-NJ) campaign for re-election in 2012 raised 30% of it's total contributions from PACs, (for a total of $621,640,) and the communications/electronics and military sectors donated to those PACs. For the upcoming campaign, so far PAC contributions only amount to $14,665 while individual contributions are only down ~30% of what they were in total for the previous election cycle. (information sourced from opensecrets.org)]

    In the end, It's not all that surprising that the NY Times endorses this bill, as they're nearly as slanted toward the Obama administration as MSNBC is, and passage of this bill would be a huge win for him as well as for Democratic prospects in 2014 and 2016. It would have to be moved through the house which will be difficult without a Republican co-sponsor that sits very near the front, but if it makes it to the Senate, numerous people who are up for re-election or worried about being primaried might support it, including Republicans Olympia Snow, Tim Scott, John Cornyn, Mike Enzi, and Mike Johanns.
     
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    12 Bills Aimed at Locking Down the Surveillance State's Overreach

    IMO, the best case scenario out of all these is a combination of HR 2818 (unlikely but possible), S 1182 (highly possible), S. 1460 &1467 (unlikely) or HR 2586, (much more likely, depending on how much congress wants to be seen as taking back some power from the executive branch), and HR 205 (highly possible).

    If HR 2818 is passed with HR 2586 or S. 1460&1467
    there's a good chance that it will turn out to be meaningful, as HR 2818 still affords too much power to the FISC. HR 205 should have broad enough support amongst democrats in the house to outweigh the amount of republican securocrats, and since it's a republican-sponsored bill, there's a chance, if it gathers enough co-sponsors, for Boehner to bring it to the floor. Getting rid of Clapper since he's lied repeatedly to congress, should also get some Republican support in the Senate. It would be a cherry on top of other legislation, but on its own wouldn't accomplish much, since the hierarchy in the NSA is iron-clad in its support for chain of command and their decisions.

    http://www.motherjones.com/print/234376
     
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