While I realize this is a touchy subject it is one that SHOULD be addressed. First up I will provide the source of facts http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/hom...race.cfm#orace Now lets look at the important numbers In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/orace.png Although slightly less true now than before, most murders are intraracial From 1976 to 2005 -- 86% of white victims were killed by whites 94% of black victims were killed by blacks So what can we take away from this? A/ It is a TRUTH that blacks commit more crime than whites B/ Blacks kill blacks 94% of the time so the inherent ranting of those on the left about "racist killings of blacks" isnt backed up in fact. If we then look at the community as a whole is it really any wonder that there are whites out there that choose not to be around blacks and do their best to protect their family's from this problem? Questions I have for the forum. a/ Why is it if you point of the very real stats of crime those on the left ( generally) with scream "your a racist" but not deal with the stats themselves? b/ Why is it that when you use these crime stats to guide you in the way you speak about race relations you are labeled a "racist" c/ given that the FACTS back what a lot of us on here say, why is it that we CANT talk about this without it turning into a name calling (*)(*)(*)(*)fight? Thread started at Forum 4 Politics on 04-07-2012 07:06 PM
To answer your questions, facts don't hurt. How you use them do. And it's not a race issue. Poor communities have higher crime rates.
Please explain why poor white majority states dont have high crime then? West Virginia is one of the poorest states ( listed as usa's second poorest state) yet in 2010 they had only 3.3 murders per 100,000 population http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/wvcrime.htm then look at Illinois ( listed as usa's 17th richest state ) 5.5 per 100,00 in 2010 http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/ilcrime.htm Black crime ISNT caused by poverty, poverty is caused by black crime.
Comparing a mainly rural state to Illinois where the vast majority of homicide is urban based is not a fair comparison. Poverty is a main factor in crime rates while the high rate of incarceration of African Americans could possible cause some of the poverty. I do not believe race is a cause of crime and no scientific studies indicate that to be the case. Do you have evidence middle or upper class African Americans commit crime at a higher rate?
The stats provide clearly show that the black crime problem isnt CAUSED by poverty, are you suggesting that the black crime is caused by urban living?
I did not notice a income level included in those stats. Stats alone tell you nothing but raw data. Yes, the inner-city does contribute to crime. I grew up in the inner-city and the whites became criminals at a rate that was at least equal to the other races. Other factors can contribute as well the glorification of the lifestyle among others, but race in itself is not the cause.
Those same stats say white people kill there own family's, old people, children, and for sex than more than blacks. Is that a indictment of the white race?
There is also data that says white people are more likely to be murder by themselves(suicide) than by black people. 22X more likely to be exact.
So? The right to choose ones place and time of death should be a fundamental right. How does the suicide rate pertain to this convo?
Death is about the only right they have not figured out how to take away yet. My point of that stat. Would that be a indication of being weak-minded and prone to mental illness as a white genetic flaw? What about child molestation are we prone to that because we are white? There are many things more white people do than other races if you use just stats to judge then by fairness all of those faults should be blamed on our race.
They will, give it time. Choosing to die is a mental illness? really? Please show proof of that. While you are at it please show me where it says there are more white pedos than black, i cant find it.
Tell someone you are thinking of killing yourself and see what happens. If you want to die because of some minor tragedy you are nuts. If you are terminal ill in severe pain or other major incidence I can see why you might want to die. I will look on the molesters, I have seen far more whites being charged for that than other races so that was assumption. The killing of intimates, the elderly, kids, and for sex are actual data. The question still stands are those a white genetic flaw? I will look for the molester data.
Maybe so if you ask the average guy in the street but show me where in the professional literature it stats that choosing to die is a mental illness. Assumption...So NOT FACT..thanks
Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children, were more likely to be white, a percentage of nearly 70%. http://ezfame.com/child-molestation-statistics
from your link So the stat you provided doesnt say whites COMMIT the crime more, just that they are CONVICTED of it more.
I was talking about doctors and lawyers not your some guy one the street. That is reason to commit someone to a mental hospital where do people go that fail in the attempt? I already posted the other info at least, I do admit when I assume things I see no reason to lie.
How else would they measure it? Do you think those murder stats came from unsolved crimes? I have never heard anyone say black people get away with crimes more often than whites.
A couple of minor points. The statistics you quote relate to homicide alone, not crime in general. I also suspect it relates to convictions rather than offences. Neither points reverse your statement but are very relevant if we're discussing blacks committing crime rather than blacks being convicted of murder. Crime has a vast range of different causal factors and an even wider range of statistical correlations, some being more relevant than others. It's a mistake to take any single factor out of context. I'm sure it would be possible to show very similar statistics regarding young offenders and thus present and image that there is some fundamental problem with "youth crime". I don't think taking that alone would be a positive approach either. Or rants over "racist killings by blacks" either. Of course, these figures don't mean neither happens at all. One major problem with this kind of discussion is that the kind of crimes we hear about in the media are the extreme and unusual so we all have skewed perceptions to some extent. Actually yes. Your figures suggest whites are more likely to be killed by another white. I think people who make safety decisions on the basis of people's skin colour rather than taking a much wider view of a situation are being largely irrational. Sometimes people are overly defensive around racial issues. Sometimes people discussing this are being racist (intentionally or not). Generally, people are idiots. Because these statistics are far from the be-all and end-all of the issue(s) of crime. Focusing to closely on the raw racial balance and ignoring all the other factors can be racist (or at least can lead to it). Ignoring the racial factor completely is wrong too but it's part of the picture, not the entire focus. I don't know, why can't you? Seriously, maybe the people who over-react to this kind of discussion are only part of the problem and the manner in which you approach and present your arguments could be improved too.
Yes, I agree but there is no way to show who committed those crimes. When you go on stats on crime it is always based on conviction data. I do not deny the numbers in the OP, I just do not believe race is the factor that causes the problem. No more than I think women who drown there babys did so because they are white. There are factors that cause people to commit crime and race is not in itself a cause. If we are to fairly discuss sensitive issues we should look for scientific evidence that has been gathered. If not it will just becoming a lot of name calling that solves nothing. As much as some hate to admit it income inequality is the main factor. The urban environment is another as well as glorification of the violence. It has become cool to be a "gangsta" it is growing amongst the white race as well.
The stat's do no such thing. Of course crime rates are higher in urban ghetto's than in rural communities. That is a no brainer.
