BMW Ends ICE Production in Germany! Mercedes?

Fake news.

 

So you're also really bad at math?

 

The mystery of the missing 5-1/2%. It's on you and the poster to explain the link.

 

There's no mystery. Try math sometime.

 

False Rhetoric.

 

The nearest number I can find online is that there are currently 282,000,000 cars in the US. Now you can look up how many EVs are in the US.

My bet is it's dang close to 2,820,000.

That's math and not useless bloviation.

 

If you don't see (or won't acknowledge) your mistake then this topic is beyond you.

 

1% as I posted.

 

Joe has 288,000,000 apples. Three million of his apples are red. The rest are yellow. Joe buys 15,000,000 new apples. 1,170,000 of these new apples are red. The rest are yellow. Joe is dismayed that buying 1,170,000 new red apples didn’t turn any of his previously owned yellow apples red. Stupid math. At least 21,000,000 of the previously owned yellow apples are supposed to turn red! The fate of humanity depends on it!

 

Obviously, the catch has to do with the trend - with the future, with what manufacturers need to do today going forward.

Manufacturers can't live off of last year's sales. In fact, those sales are the competition, as that is the source of most new car buyers.

ALL of Joe's apples are rotting due to age. And, agriculturists are creating new varieties of apples. The question is what variety will be popular in the future - NOT the past. So, be careful what kind of orchards you sink your wealth in.

 

I’m not particularly thrilled that people who can’t comprehend simple math want to be involved in formulating climate policy for people who do understand math. I’m not thrilled about people who think all vehicles on the road are purchased new annually taking a position on what other people should drive.

When the people with the least knowledge and understanding of science want to guide society we have a problem. When people advocate for things they don’t understand and don’t care that they don’t understand, we have a problem.

You don’t realize this whole thing started by someone not understanding the magnitude of a trend. I have little interest in popularity or what’s trendy based on dishonest marketing and hidden subsidies to change behaviors. I’m more interested in factual data and evidence. I’d rather we make rational decisions based on science.

 

EVs aren't just about climate nor are they about "trendy".

The trend lines for purchase decisions are incredibly important to manufacturers and wholesale/retail businesses throughout our economy and that of the world.

If you want to comment on EVs, go ahead and do that.

 

Ummm. I have been commenting on EVs. You really thought this was about apples?

Yes, thank goodness manufacturers and retailers don’t believe all cars on the road are new annually. And thank goodness some of us can assess trends based on math, not unicorns and rainbows.

The EV market is mostly about what’s trendy. A good share of sales are to people who have a serious misunderstanding of climate. Without subsidies and fear based marketing there wouldn’t be many sales of EVs. It’s trendy to want to save the planet by stopping AGW. Around 70% of people who express interest in buying an EV cite environmental concerns as a main reason.

Anyway, my point is that people who are the most twitterpated about EVs seem to know the least about them. To the point they believe when an EV is purchased, an ICE vehicle already in service magically converts itself to an EV. It would be nice if EV evangelists knew a bit about them. You are welcome to disagree and to post things unrelated to my content.

 

well they're not about the climate at all they're in ecological disaster manufacturing them produces more carbon than a conventional vehicle will release in its entire existence.

And they are the epitome of Trendy. First it's a trend. Second the resale value is very low so it's a single use item which contributes to the ecological disaster that they will inevitably be.

If it wasn't about the trend people would be snapping up the used ones they wouldn't be rotting on lots.

Well anytime you comment no matter what the comment is if it's anything but absolute praise you get the EVangelists I'm coming at you with all the propaganda they believe.

This is probably why electric vehicle sales are trending down at the moment they were promised to be this miracle panacea and they're just a car. And there are trade-offs. That's why most people when they sell they're used electric car they then replace it with a conventional vehicle.

 

You know it's not fake news I remember seeing that electric car from the 60s I've been around for decades better part of two centuries

 

EVs are a vastly superior technology to ICEs. Regenerative braking makes them much more efficient than ICEs, Very simple design, with much lower maintenance costs. Amazing easy-power acceleration, gets you from A to B faster, and more efficiently..

 

True. ICE engines are far less efficient. Thus the fuel cost per mile is less and the pollution emitted goes to zero.

 

If that was in any way true, they would easily sell themselves without government handouts and mandates. And after 30+ years of existence, they'd certainly be more than 1% of the current vehicles in existence in this country.

But it's BS, mainly because EVs suck comparatively at doing work.

But perhaps you're not familiar with work.

 

The light duty vehicle fleet is 14% pickups.

That may be the part you care about, but it is a big world out there.

Also, semi truck and trailers, delivery vehicles, etc., are moving toward electric power, too.

 

Not anytime soon. Heavy-duty is really where the idea of EVs fall flat on their face, specifically because they're relatively lousy at doing work. And work is pretty much the sole reason for heavy-duty existence.

The "hot" new Tesla semi has a range of 500 miles and is credibly estimated to weigh 10% more than an ICE truck. And moreover, an ICE truck can be readily altered for different applications AND can do work for months in the middle of BFE Nebraska without a charging station in 800 miles just by having a tanker truck regularly haul a load of fuel out to it.

EV trucks simply can't do any of that. They're useless outside of very limited, and unprofitable, applications.

 

EVs are relatively new. It takes time, but they are rapidly becoming the car of the future, now capturing 7% of US sales. Many countries are well ahead of the US in this regard. With the increased torque of EVs, they are better at doing work - acceleration and towing capacity. Range is simply a fuel management issue. Go EVs!

 

Wrong again. But I guess you're getting used to it.

EVs have been around in their modern incarnation for at least 30 years. They aren't by any definition new. And without government help they'd still be a 2% share.

And the full torque operation is their critical weakness. As load increases (like when doing work) the battery drains rapidly resulting in pathetic range.

That's why they are toys for rich people.

And why they'll never replace ICE.

But you can keep dreaming.

 

EVs of yesteryear do not have the high tech batteries being used today. Obsolete ICEs will follow the path of the flip-top phone.

 

You continue to miss the point.

 

So much for charging infrastructure.

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