BNP opinion: Two faces of Turkish liberalism

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  1. Peter Szarycz

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    Eyewitness Brussels!
    Sun, 04/03/2012 - 14:30

    Tories use taxpayers' money for pro-Turkey propaganda. Nick Griffin MEP blows the whistle on the latest double-dealing from Cameron's treacherous tax-eaters.

    The Conservative-dominated European Conservatives and Reformists Group within the European Parliament has this week used part of its taxpayer-provided budget to fund an exhibition on "religious and cultural diversity in Turkey.

    The display, in the heart of the EU's huge complex in Brussels, is put on in collaboration with the Yunus Emre Institute, a well-funded Turkish body whose job is to spread Turkish cultural influence back into countries which used to be ruled by the Turkish Sultanate but which won their independence in the various wars of liberation against that medieval tyranny.

    The exhibition, which is entitled Sharing the Sunlight, portrays Muslims, Christians and Jews living as equal citizens and good friends and neighbours in a picture-postcard Turkey.

    Much is made of the restoration of several churches and synagogues at the expense of the Turkish state. No mention is made, however, of the continued wanton destruction of churches and monasteries in Turkish-occupied Cyprus. Since that island still has a majority Greek Christian population, the need for cultural/religious/ethnic cleansing in order to advance Islam is still there.

    In Turkey, by contrast, centuries of persecution have so reduced non-Muslim communities that they are irrelevant and a few of their buildings can be restored for the tourists and in order to fool EU liberals into not noticing the steady Islamisation of the secular Turkey created by Kemal Ataturk.

    Tories to blame

    Remember, however, that the liberal fools using your money to bring the exhibition to Brussels are members of David Cameron's Conservative Party. The Tories make up 26 of the ECRG's 57 MEPs, and they hold three of the seven seats on its Executive.

    So, for once, the Tories can't blame 'Europe' for something that the public won't like (the usual trick of the phoney blue-rinse traitors and Jobsworths). This piece of propaganda in the long drive to open Europe up to Turkish membership is entirely their fault.

    It's no surprise, of course, Cameron has repeatedly said (when abroad, not in front of British audiences heartily sick of immigration and Islamisation) that he wants to see Muslim Turkey in the EU. After all, his Big Business friends want the new tsunami of cheap labour and, as a liberal-leftist wearing a fetching shade of light blue, he himself is fundamentally hostile to genuine Christian values and wholly unsympathetic to the traditional defining of European civilisation by virtue of its opposition to Islamic expansionism.

    Perhaps the most dishonest part of the Tory-backed display is a reference in one of the glossy exhibits to the way in which the 19th century rulers of Turkey issued proclamations calling for religious tolerance for non-Muslims and the removal of (some) of the discriminatory provisions against them in the constitution and in daily life.

    Forced to be tolerant

    Of course such moves were just and welcome, but the historical truth is that they were not a spontaneous display of European tolerance. Rather, they were concessions forced out of a reluctant, brutal Islamist Turkey by force of arms.

    This is something explained well in a new book which is due out shortly. Insh'a Allah ("If Allah wills it") was first written by Flemish MP Filip Dewinter in Dutch. Some weeks ago I worked on the English translation, which is expanded with a significant amount of new material, including the following:

    In 1821, occupied Greece revolted against Turkish domination. In the subsequent war of independence, the Turks committed many atrocities, especially the killing of 30,000 inhabitants of the island of Chios and the enslavement of twice as many.

    The brutality aroused enormous public outrage all across Europe and the Greek freedom fighters were supplied with money, volunteers and arms from all corners of the continent. In 1827, at the decisive Battle of Navarino, a combined British, French and Russian naval force destroyed the Ottomans´Mediterranean fleet of ships from Turkey, Egypt and Algeria.

    With the Ottomans´control of the sea lanes broken, the combined effort of the Greek resistance army and military expeditions by Russia and France forced the Muslim occupiers out of central and southern Greece. The Greeks were finally free after almost four centuries of Turkish tyranny.

    As the 19th century progressed, further Christian revolts and military interventions continued to drive out the Muslim occupiers of Europe. Most of the time, the pressure came from Russia, with Britain and France frequently acting to protect the failing Ottoman Empire, most notably in the Crimean War.

    Despite such parochial power games, however, Article 9 of the 1856 Paris Peace Treaty, concluded at the end of the Crimean War, obliged the Ottoman Empire to grant Christians equal rights with Muslims. An edict, Hatt-ı Hümayun, was issued proclaiming the principle of the equality of Muslims and non-Muslims, and promising some specific reforms to this end. For example, the jizya tax was abolished and non-Muslims were allowed to join the army.[a]

    [a] Vatikiotis, P. J. The Middle East. London: Routledge, 1997, p. 217 ISBN 0-415-15849-4

    Despite these improvements, some key aspects of Dhimmi status were retained; for example, the testimony of Christians against Muslims was not accepted in courts, which granted Muslims effective immunity for offenses conducted against Christians.

    Argyll G. C. "The Eastern question from the Treaty of Paris 1836 to the Treaty of Berlin 1878 and to the Second Afghan War ([1879])" chapter 2

    Perhaps it's too much to expect ultra modern Tories like Cameron to have any grasp of historical realities. There again, given the old adage that "those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to relive it", it would be better if such ignorance led to disqualification from consideration from such high office.

    Nothing has changed

    Likewise, one would hope that people pushing to open our borders to 80 million Turks would at least take a careful look at how their state behaves to the ever-shrinking minority of Christians in Turkey. For the shocking truth is that the persecution continues to this very day. [Those who want to know more should start by reading the article to be found at http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=35084]

    There again, perhaps the top Conservatives behind the decision to waste a bit more taxpayers' money promoting Turkey as a suitable candidate for EU membership are in fact well aware that they are lying. Perhaps they're so well paid to do so that they just don't care.

    Either way, we should care. We should care not just about their wasting taxpayers' money with their lies, we should care about the threat to our traditional identity and freedoms posed by the Tories' behind the scenes moves to slide Muslim Turkey into Christian Europe. And everyone who cares should start to do something to stand up against such madness by deciding, right now, never to vote Conservative again.

    NB We will tell you how to buy a copy of Mr Dewinter's forthcoming book as soon as it is published.

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/eyewitness-brussels
     
  2. AGS

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    Turks have alliances with jewish leftists. The jewish leftists have this power on leftist themes like multicultural europe by bringing 3rd world immigrants to europe as if its some america on the other side of the atlantic.
     
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    Article is not complete. anyway EU already lost popularity in Turkey. Majority of Turks want to be connected, to work with Europeans, free trawel in Europe but they don't want to be member and to be garden of the Europe.

    Turkish Liberals have 2 faces as the same Europen Liberals have...
     
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    why would they want to travel to europe if they have such a great empire?
     
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    London hates EU,! EU was a Napoleon and many French kings dream. only 2 stats officially want turkey in EU, N1 - UK and N2 Sweden. they both want to keep EU nothing more then A customs union and ... UK is a EU´s Fifth Column and always will be
     
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    Why does Sweden want Turkey in EU? Is this Sweden's nostalgia display for its era of greatness? i.e. Charles XII had allied himself with the then Ottoman Empire, at the time when Sweden played its most prominent role on international scene. So does Sweden plan to influence the course of European politics from the standpoint of Charles XII's imperial politics?

    I thought Turkey too wanted to fit into a leadership role in the Middle East, rather than providing an endless stream of cheap labour for the EU while its economic interests and foreign policy initiatives would receive a periphery treatment at Brussles.
     
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    Sweden is controlled by a mega leftist regime that has historical ties with turkey.

    Sweden will convert to swedenstan.
     
  8. haydar

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    Who said that Turkey is a great empire? Turkey doesn't have better welfare than Europe but on the other hand can handle without joining to EU. If Europe really don't want Turkey shouldn't join the union. Big part of Turks don't have a dream to move Europe and work there anymore but they want to trawel without not threaten bad at there. Turkey always respected German, English systems and choose the way to be united with Europe centuries ago. While ex Communist countries in a cold war with Europe Turkey was collecting ass of Europe and USA.

    Turks are hardworking and very productive. Education and skills if we compare for office workers (engineers, technicicans, doctors e.t.c not lower than Europe). Manufacturing costs, manpower costs are much more lower than Europe. People don't complain to overwork average working hours are more than Europe.

    England and some other countries (even Germany) aware that Europe needs alternative aganist to China&India&Russia and Europe needs educated manpower, Europe needs a Muslim country who is symphatetic and close to Middle East Muslim world.

    Other countries are at the same mentality, with this mind just they can (*)(*)(*)(*) Europe more. Germany already have 3 milions Turkish. France, Holland England as well. EU is taking Bulgaria in where population 1/3 is Turkish. In Grecee it the same as well. Go and look at the central places in London or Amsterdam or Athens majority of people here are immigrants, even here Istanbul the level of people are higher. %70 of central London is not British in the new members such as Romania, Slovakia e.t.c people die to move Europe while in Turkey majority will stay in their country even Turkey %100 member.

    On the other hand, As a young Turkish my only problem can't trawel free for holiday in Europe. Otherwise Turkey already make trading with Europe based on win-win strategy, and Turkey is growing rapidly. So there is no need to limit the growing and manufacturing and jump into a problematic seperatist union. Let's stay outside keep the relations warm from your own - free country. Turkey is not Bugaria or Grecee or Portugal which need to a bigger Union. It already have an Industry a huge young manpower just need to make reforms in Laws, social life and needs to be grown up rapidly to increase the welfare.

    Hope i could explain that it is not related to be communication of Swidish left or Troy horse England....
     
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    no it has nothing to do with Charles XII (who was foolished by turks). behind of this story 2 different EU´s ideologies the swedes dont want to become the Europeans they want to stay the swedes. they keep sek, and thats why sw. government is pitching turkey(even thought that swedes hate turks) into eu in order to kill EU´s federalism
     
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    majority Europeans choose sooner russia and russians , ask everyone here . turkish males are nasty and wired , your women belong to home and turkish men

    lies "Bulgarians are the main ethnic group and comprise 84.8 per cent of the population. Turkish and Roma minorities comprise 8.8 and 4.9 per cent, respectively; some 40 smaller minorities comprise 0.7 per cent, and 0.8 per cent do not self-identify with an ethnic group.[183]"

    if you want to stay in turkey m why its so many turks in europe?
     
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    You are very good wikipedia researcher. I said 1/3 of Bulgaria is Turkish origined sure this is an aproximate amounth.

    Bulgaria applied to Turks high preassure to leave the country in Communism era and hundred tousands, in total around milions of Bulgarian citizen Turkish moved to Turkey. After Bulgaria join EU their rights are given back to them with court decisions and also with the support of Bulgarian goverments. Now many of them are double citizen. The total amounth is not clear because some of them didn't apply to take Bulgarian citizenship again. In 2007 Turkish party in Bulgaria collected %20.26 in 2009 %14,48 of the votes. Bulgarian citizens who live in Turkey also voted at the border sure not all of them.

    For your second questions. I didn't say to you None of Turks will not move to Europe and don't want to move. First big part of the Turks in Europe are the families of the Turkish workers who moved there with invitation since 1950s to 1980s. They had 3th generation there, second Turkey has more than 70 milion population ofcourse there will be many Turks&Kurds. Your problem you don't want to understand what i write...

    ***A correction: I used a word ''level of people'' for immigrants in my previous post, i change it as ''social and education level''
     
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    so because of a Turkish party has collected %20.26 in 2007 there are living 2, 5 million Turks ?
     
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    it shows that Bulgarians are marginals . Slovenians , Belarusians, Finns, etc will send those from "at border " to "Gulag" and fun% in EU
     
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    you seem to miss the point. Turkey has the size of 783,000 sq ft in kilometers with a population base of 72 million....


    Thats a big country..... Why would it need to join europe?

    Besides, geographically speaking, the name of the land mass is called Asia Minor.



    Technically its not even part of europe.


    Turkey has a totally different foriegn law system unlike anything in Europe compared to England,France or Germany...

    Their property rights are totally different....



    They even have a total difference with civil rights....

    Turkey doesn't have a good track record with civil rights only plagued with propaganda and denial.
     
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    racially, religiously, historicity , culturally , traditionally as well. Turkey as an "European state " is a cold war joke. and it will kill idea of United States of Europe
     
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    Turkish population was around 1.6 milion in 1985. Turkish party HÖH in Bulgaria is in coalition now and has 3 ministers. This is good that while fashist ATAKA is out, Turkish party is in.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Rights_and_Freedoms

    While you accept 25-30 milion Kurdish in Turkey with %6-7 voting rate of Kurdish party, why you don't beleive this. Again i repeat that i included Bulgarian citizens who moved Turkey during the 1980's Jirkov's period.

    ***In Jirkov's period Turks are forced to change names, banned to celebrate their bayrams and to do traditions religion.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Cr3t32_os&feature=related"]calıntı gözler (bulgar zulmü)1 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    what does 1985 population has to do with current population in 2012..???


    Answer is NOTHING......



    Turkish bayrams have no european cultural affinity.....


    Why put something so out of place into something else different?



    I mean if you really want Turkey to come into Europe....


    I even have a better solution for even a better union....


    A Eurasian Union...


    Combine 2 parts of the continent into one large land mass.....


    The eurasian union........


    Now thats a true super power continent.
     
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    Again i repeat that i included Bulgarian citizens who moved to Turkey during the 1980's Jirkov's period. ---->this is 3th time i sait it. I ll not make any comment on it anymore.

    Anyway thanks God people like litwin and you are always minority and will be minority. You are talking like you are the minister of EU. If they give you even management of a cafe you would collapse in few weeks with this mentality.

    You don't read what i write, you don't understand too. You always in a deffence to protect Europe from Turkey. I say to you i don't want Turkey to be full member in every post. You beleive unexist borders you beleive there is a magical line between Turkey and Grecee or Bulgaria and at the east of the border there are monsters at the west the civilization. Hey we are not talking about crusaders we are talking about EU!
     
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    you think the the poor emigrants can play any role in Bulgarian politic?

    i am majority. my friend . 80% here against it, and you know it .

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