Boeing crashes in Iran

Yeah, that's why you're supposed to trust them and never ask questions. Everything is classified information.

It is because-a we said it is.

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Beside waisting bandwith on this board, what are you good for?
Your trolling and flamebaiting skills are pathetic as hell and you never post anything meaningful.
I know that this is just a silly act that your playing with this and a few other sockpuppet that you have but you're getting quite boring...

 

Jeanette, those people with half a brain can figure out what happened without the government saying it. I called it yesterday, long before the talking heads caught up to common sense.

As far as your conspiracy theory, we're more likely to see the Ayatollah humping a pig than your musings.

 

Over thousands of years their influence has varied from significant to insignificant. They're attempting at present to create a buffer by influencing Arab states on their border. Even the Iraqis, mostly Shia, don't want to be under their thumb. They helped destabilize and then control Lebanon, rescued Assad in Syria, and have worked to gain influence in Iraq after we got rid of Saddam for them.

They were Canadians and many Iranians working to become Canadians.

 

The signature of the Boeing 737 is of American and at the height of the tension any American in the air is considered hostile.

 

Wait, are you saying that IFF signature only contains the country of origin of the manufacturer?

 

Who is "they?"

 

No but the transponders will broadcast a certain signal for identification and in that case a CID I suppose.

 

Haven't we already went over this ****?? I replied to you earlier. Refer to your post #96. They = US officials, damn.

 

No, not who "they" are in post #96.

 

CID?

 

Some of the comments here are truly bizarre and reflect delusions for which I can't possibly find any cure!

At this point, I admit that an accidental shooting down of the plane by Iran's air defenses is a possible explanation for the crash, even though that was the case when I first read the reports about the crash. However, I noticed reports from Iran dismiss the theory of a missile hitting the plane, explaining that a missile hitting the plane would have caused the plane to explode in mid air and not crash with its belly. At the same time, these 'explanations' why this wasn't a missile strike are all being offered basically by one source in Iran, namely the head of Iran's civil aviation authority. So it could be an official who made some initial conclusions (mechanical failure) and is being stubborn in properly considering other possible explanations. I don't know. Regardless, I would wait for the actual investigation by those investigating the incident (both those from Iran, as well as Ukrainian and now Canadian teams that will be also joining them) to issue their final report(s) before making any final judgment.

 

Does anyone know if the Ukrainian plane was the only one that took off from Teheran at that time? Was it the first after the missile attack? If not, why was it hit and not another plane?

Iran had blocked any plane from taking off during and shortly after the attack (I think it was for 4 hours). Once it allowed planes to fly again surely the military knew this also.

 

Here's your cure. Open the video with full screen and slow it down to .5 speed or .25 speed. You can clearly see a missile coming from the lower left until the impact.

 

Actually, if the plane was in fact shut down by missiles fired by Iran, the real question relates to what you said but is very different in focus. If this plane was indeed shut down by Iran's air defense operators, it suggests to me that the airport authority were derelict in their duty to coordinate the issue properly and in time with Iran's revolutionary guards. In other words, they didn't give the proper flight information about planes cleared for take-off and landing to Iran''s air defense operators. Without such information, I believe any plane not cleared already for Iran's air defense operators, would have been presumed hostile and shot down for that reason.

Anyway, I am hoping this was indeed mechanical failure or some other such cause. If not, the issue I would focus on is the one I alluded to: coordination between the airport authority and government with the Iranian armed forces and revolutionary guards, and information passed from the former to the latter, on flights cleared for take-off and landing.

 

Combat Identification
https://www.shoalgroup.com/wp-conte...-Identification-Combat-ID-Conference-2005.pdf

 

Not just CID, but also information about flights cleared for landing and take-off, would be looked at by air defense operators. In this case, as one of the first flights cleared to take off after Iran's missile strike against the US bases after a long delay, I am a bit worried that the airport authorities might not have provided information to Iran's air defense operators on clearing this plane to take off. That delay on their part, or some other delay in transmission of the flight information about this plane being cleared for take off, could be how this accident happened. But I still have my doubts: the NYT 'video' evidence here notwithstanding (its murky to me), if Iran had shut down the Ukrainian plane, Iranian authorities would know about it. And I have a hard time understanding how under those circumstances they would allow and invite Ukrainian and Canadian investigators to independently look over the evidence as well. That is, unless, this decision itself reflects something more sinister on the part of those who control this arm of Iran's government, which falls under the jurisdiction of a camp which is basically hostile to the revolutionary guards and Iran's leadership (their pretenses to the contrary notwithstanding).

 

Told you. Sick, demented, putrid.

 

If Iran wasn’t a human butchering POS outlaw nation, hundred of thousands would still be alive, not the least of, 600+ Americans.

 

Listening now, CNN is accusing Trump and America for behaving recklessly for executing a psychopath.

 

So what did you mean by, "the signature of the Boeing 737 is of American?"

 

If Iran wasn’t a cesspool of rotting souls, they’d still be alive. And no can tell anything to the Ayatollahs because they’d be imprisoned, tortured, and murdered. Way better to be fired in America, than slaughtered like a lamb in Tehran.

 

Why would it have been up to the airport authorities? Isn't Iranian airspace managed by The Civil Aviation Organization of Islamic Republic of Iran, which would have given the launch clearance to the military? Why the hell would the military launch another missile after a "long delay", presumably when they had no launch clearance?

You mean this video?

When you say "if Iran had shut down the Ukrainian plane", do you mean the government or the military?

Well even if the government ordered a deliberate strike against the plane, no crash investigation is going to uncover that.

Which "arm" is this? And what's a "camp?"

 

Before I respond to this post, for those who aren't interested in propaganda and the tales by the usual suspects who like to fish in troubled waters, let me say this: while I am giving the "missile theory" some credence now, my view is that until the investigation is completed, that is only a theory that needs to be investigated alongside other theories. I make no definitive judgments about the cause of the crash.

Iran's air defense operators, expecting an American attack, would be on high alert and would not be coordinating attacks with anyone. Any flights which aren't previously notified to them as being 'authorized' would have been shut down. In this case, if (and that is a big if still) this plane was shut down by Iran's air defense systems, it was because someone failed to let them know it was cleared for flight.

Yes.

The military. And I emphasize the "if" part again.

Whatever. You are wasting my time on this nonsense that is something only you and your fellow clueless crusading bunch need to discuss among yourselves. I am not interested.

Before hand, I will reiterate: I don't believe in any of the conspiracy theories or anything other than what will emerge from the findings of the investigation being conducted. BUT if I were going to believe any conspiracy theory on this issue, it would be the one I mentioned. Anyone who follows Iranian politics knows who the camp and who that arm is. Some of them are genuine patriots which have different views on how to handle issues in Iran. Views with which I may agree on many issues, especially on many social issues. Others among them are corrupt agents of foreign companies and foreign powers masquerading as reformers and moderates.