Boston Marathon Scare: Our Terrorism Abroad Washes Back Ashore Regardless of who was really behind them and why, chances are the Boston Marathon bombings would not have happened if unconstitutional laws like AUMF 2001 and NDAA 2012 Sec 1021 were not on the books. )( Monday's Boston Marathon bombings killed 3 Americans and wounded more than 180 others. It was clearly an act of terrorism, but as with 9/11 no terrorist organization has thus far claimed responsibility. That's seen by some as an indication that the act was state-sponsored. If so, what state (http://bit.ly/15dLwAS)? I don't know who did it. You probably don't know who did it. And I'm convinced that the fearmongering CNN, Faux News, MSDNC and other mainstream media empty talking heads that started cackling "Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Homegrown Jihadists! 9/11!" before the dust even settled have no clue either (http://bit.ly/13fFakk). Yes, the Boston Marathon Scare - which is how it will be leveraged by the fascist propaganda mouthpieces of our government and the Military Industrial Complex (http://bit.ly/ZZEsQ9) that controls it - is a human tragedy. But it is only one of countless human tragedies, and perhaps for perspective we should view it in comparison to just a few of the other "acts of terrorism" that occurred within a few days of the Beantown bombings: - In Afghanistan, a "fierce battle between U.S.-backed Afghan forces and Taliban militants in a remote corner of eastern Afghanistan left nearly 20 people dead, including 11 Afghan children killed in an airstrike... An airstrike in the same district in Kunar that killed 10 civilians in mid-February prompted Karzai to ban his forces from requesting airstrikes (http://mil-com.me/XQKJ6B). "And along with drone attacks, an average of 4.8 children are killed per day in Afghanistan..." (http://bit.ly/YsOrym). - In Iraq - where Dubya declared "Mission Accomplished" and which Odrona claims we "left with honor" - "As of midday on Monday, as security officials and medical workers continued to count the dead and wounded, at least 37 people had been killed and more than 140 wounded in nearly 20 separate attacks, mostly car bombings, in Baghdad, Kirkuk, Hilla, Falluja, Nasiriya and Tikrit, according to local officials. The local elections, the first since the withdrawal of the American military at the end of 2011, are being anticipated warily by American diplomats and United Nations officials as a crucial test of Iraq's shaky democracy" (http://nyti.ms/159GLZ4). - In Pakistan, "At least 5 persons were killed and seven others injured when a US drone struck a compound in South Waziristan Agency (SWA) here in Wana on Wednesday. According to details, an unmanned US spy plane fired two missiles at a residential compound located in village Sararogha of Babar Kot in SWA. As a result of missiles strike the compound was destroyed completely resulting in death of 5 people and leaving 7 others injured. It was feared that death toll may rise further as condition of some injured people was also stated to be critical" (http://bit.ly/YTy0zy). U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan are killing 49 innocent civilians including children for every 1 "known terrorist" taken out (http://bit.ly/NOthd0). - Here at home, "Almost once every hour a U.S. military veteran takes his or her life. The Department of Veterans Affairs reports that 22 veterans commit suicide every day, on average. Austin veteran Andrew O'Brien almost become one of them. He survived a suicide attempt in 2010, after returning from a 12-month deployment to Iraq. Now he's telling his story to raise awareness of post-traumatic stress disorder and military suicides" (http://bit.ly/110Kumb). For decades America's false and failed "nationbuilding" efforts have spread death, destruction and moral decay more so than "democracy". American drone, missile and bomb strikes are now terrorizing, maiming and killing innocent civilians and children in unprecedented numbers, and America's military forces are losing more troops to guilt- and depression-related suicides than they are to "enemy forces" that the American government itself is funding (http://bit.ly/11bcsKI). It should come as no surprise, consequently, that the insanity and inhumanity our perpetual wars for oil and profit are proliferating overseas would make their way back to our shores. Regardless of who was really behind the Boston Marathon attack - and regardless of whether their motive was payback for years of murder and mayhem or psyop propaganda to convince you to sacrifice Social Security that's real for National Security that isn't - one thing is certain: On Monday 15 April 2013 the citizens of Boston got a very small taste of the death and destruction America delivers daily around the world, the principal and questionable legal justification for which is the post 9/11 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force. Pass H.R. 198 to repeal it, and we'll all be in a safer place. AUMF Hunger Striker IronBoltBruce has fasted for 22 days, lost 31 pounds and much of his strength in hopes of raising awareness and rallying support to make that happen (http://RepealAUMF.org). And you? )( AUMF Hunger Strike Status for IronBoltBruce: #AumfHungerStrike: AUMF Hunger Strike of #IronBoltBruce Week 3 (Day 22) Status: Weight Lost: 31lbs; Resolve Lost: None. #AUMF #NDAA #Drones | RepealAUMF.org https://twitter.com/RepealAUMFNow/status/324465046728093697 #AumfHungerStrike: AUMF Hunger Strike of #IronBoltBruce Week 2 (Day 15) Status: Weight Lost: 23lbs; Resolve Lost: None. #AUMF #NDAA #Drones | RepealAUMF.org https://twitter.com/RepealAUMFNow/status/322011760477470722 #AumfHungerStrike: AUMF Hunger Strike of #IronBoltBruce Week 1 (Day Status: Weight Lost: 14lbs; Resolve Lost: None. #AUMF #NDAA #Drones | RepealAUMF.org https://twitter.com/RepealAUMFNow/status/319395159882215424 )( NOTE: This release contains links shortened by bit.ly. If you wish to preview their contents before clicking them simply add a + sign to the end. 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ironboltbruce: I agree with you on many points, but anyone should be allowed to go on a hunger strike if they so wish, as many see it as "being on a diet." Jessica Simpson went on a hunger strike, Jennifer Hudson did the same and it didn't seem to harm her, so what's your point? We have prisoners in jails that need a certain diet to stay healthy and I don't see any wardens serving them anything special, do you? You seem to want some justification for a Guantanamo Bay prisoner. I say bring them to trial, then send them back to whereever they were herded into planes after an attack to be able to live again as free men. All attacks on America now can be traced back to President GW Bush's actions when he was president and thought he was the Lord of the NIght People. I certainly hope this has helped you in your search for something relevant in today's world, and I think it has to the extent in which it is intended. In the meantime, you need to chill out, and biotch a little more on the real cause of retribution against the United States
Eat something yet?.....that screed is a bit wandering and unfocused. Lack of proper nutrients can do that.
Boston bombings suspect arrested... Official: Suspect in custody in Boston bombings 17 Apr.`13 A suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings was taken into custody Wednesday in a breakthrough that came less than 48 hours after the deadly attack, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation said Wednesday.
Granny says, "Dat's right - is all Stalin's fault... Chechnya region is cauldron of Islamic militancy Friday, April 19, 2013, The Russian region of the Caucasus that was home to the two Boston Marathon bomb suspects is one of the more volatile regions of the world. See also: Did Boston carnage have its roots in Stalin's ruthless displacement of Muslims from Chechnya decades ago? Friday, April 19, 2013, Both suspected bombers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were born in what is now independent Kyrgyzstan in central Asia, then they moved to neighboring Dagestan, now the most radicalized Muslim region in Russia.
The OP makes good points. The deaths of innocent civilians everywhere are immoral and unjustified. It is just that Americans have internalized a discourse which has made them entirely convinced that America is the best most moral nation in the world. So when we do the things that other countries, groups, and individuales do we are justified in those actions. However when others do it, it is terrorism, and they do it because they are evil, or backwards, or whatever stupid reason. I also saw today that idiot Bill Oreilly say, "they hate us for no reason." No they hate us for a whole host of very legitimate reasons. Our policies towards Muslims, in the name of protecting and controlling Middle East oil supplies have led the US to kill many people. On top of the people we directly killed, our policies have also propped up numerous dictators and allowed the continuation of the oppression of millions of people. There is an idiotic notion that people in the region don't want and aren't ready for violence. The reality is, the US and Britain have spent 100 years now ensuring democracy was undermined at every turn, because democracy in those places was not conducive to American interests and the interests of global capitalism. We need to kill and oppress people to perpetuate our system, but we need to do so without undermining the fiction that we are a moral nation driven by liberal intentions. We are a capitalist nation motivated by perpetuating capitalist profit, and nothing else. That has led us to do enormous harm to the rest of the world, who rightfully hate that fact. They are immoral in their targets, but not in their hatred. Most Americans are beneficiaries of the system we reproduce, but do nothing to reproduce it themselves. So while I understand why they hate America, they should not target innocent people. Just because we kill innocents, does not justify them doing so. They are simply repeating the same injustices.
Just more "blame America first" garbage. Anyone who would attempt to justify or even sympathize with subhuman scum that would blow up an 8 year old kid is no better than the people who actually planted the bombs. Shame on you.
No one sympathizes with the bombers. They are sympathizing with the 8 year old children that America kills every day in its "war on terror." There is a massive difference!! Understanding what we do to the rest of the world provides an understanding of the motive, NOT an acceptance of the actions!! When some one catches their wife cheating and they kill her, understanding that they killed her because of the cheating, DOES NOT justify, excuse, or create sympathy for the killer. It does explain it though and make it understandable, BUT NOT JUSTIFIED!!! The difference is enormous. However it requires nuance, something the average American doesn't care for, and the American right are particularly terrible offenders...
Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You're making excuses. The U.S. doesn't set out to kill innocent people. These (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s did. You want to talk about massive differences. What about the difference between collateral damage and deliberate terrorism? If you cannot distinguish between the two, again I say, you are no better than the people who left those bombs. And you excuse evil by default.
In this case, I'd say that these were home-grown terrorists and that their radicalization was also encouraged by the sort of broad-brush bigotry that you hear on a daily basis from the right-wingers here in the US.
Please fellow PFers do not click on any link that looks like http;//bit.ly/15dLwAS. Regardless of what anyone says it links to, you won't know till you get there if it's a legitimate website or a malicious one that installs a virus, Trojan horse or keystroke logger. There is absolutely no reason not to post the original URL as the forum truncates excessively long URLs while leaving them functional. So be advised, clicking on any tinyurl or bit.ly link at your own risk. http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn At lease you can see where the link is supposed to take you and can verify by holding your cursor over the link then looking above the start button on the bottom of your screen to see they match.
Collateral damage is a nonsense. We drop bombs that kill children, women, innocent civilians, etc. Read the OP. We kill 49 innocent people to every 1 terrorist in Pakistan. How the (*)(*)(*)(*) is that justified? That is just bull (*)(*)(*)(*) peddled by unthinking and immoral people!! And anyways, that is besides the point. If the US killed your child, would you just say "oh they were just trying to kill the terrorists, it's fine. No big deal, go America!!" Of course you wouldn't. Only a lunatic would react in that way. Our policy may not be to kill civilians, but IT IS to deliberately disregard their presence. Practically what difference does it make? PS. I never made any moral equivalency argument anyways. I only stated that it was understandable why people hate us. PPS. You conveniently left out all the support we give to tyrants in the region.
I believe this is an effort by hamid karizai to keep America in Afghanistan, and paying pakistan.... If we leave, theyre gonna die... So what to do they do? They come bomb America, to try and make America say, "See, terrorism isnt dead. Its not over... We have to stay and fight...."
The US intervention, sanctions and the arming of rebels etc over the past 50 years or so throughout the world, usually to secure oil, military bases or the US's version of democracy or the imposition of what they (the US) deems as a "good society" has directly and indirectly caused the deaths of 10s of thousands of innocent children, not to mention women and elderly. Then there is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/02/hiroshima-pictures-they-didnt-want-us_05.html We could debate the rights and wrongs all day and all night, but I guarantee the 48+K children did nothing wrong, thats 48K+ children that died within hours or days. War is an ugly business. For centuries the people of the Palestinian territories, Jews included, have suffered at the hands of invaders. What happened to the Jews in the hands of the Nazi regime and the Russians and others are some of the most horrible aspects of humanity, but ... but the biblical saying of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth was never meant to include the atrocities that are being inflicted on the Palestinian people, not soldiers or rebels, but people, old people, women and children by supposedly, God fearing people. In this enlightened age, reason and justice should prevail over bigotry, hatred and greed. Yes Israel should exist, the suffering of "innocent" jews over the centuries should entitle them to a homeland, but also the Palestinians are suffering, not the terrorists but the "innocents", elderly, women and children, shouldn't they too have a right to a safe haven, their own nation, a land that they too can feel safe in just as you do in the US ... or do you So by your standards, the pro gun lobby should also be blamed, for the US's total inability to get behind a sensible and controlled use of guns itself causes the deaths of more children each year, then what die from all types of accidental death in all western countries combined. All of the terrorism, well most of it, stems directly from the worlds, well most of it's unwillingness to support the Palestinian people's desire to have a free Palestinian state of their own.
Does anyone have any idea what all this bovine scat is supposed to be about? Who cares? Islamo's hate because their religion is hate, and murder, and injustice, and its real practitioners are like these murderous losers in Boston.
Of course; failing to have the Left Wet Dream of a "right wing white male" as the Boston bombers, now it's time to BLAME AMERICA for ANOTHER ISLAMIST TERROR ATTACK ON AMERICANS, by the cowards of allah. - - - Updated - - - Exactly. They do not seek to murder us or any other infidels over "politics"; they do it because they deem us UNWORTHY OF LIVING. THe Leftninny Doofi just cannot get their hivethink, anti-American minds around that FACT... Kudos and props for your "Left Wet Dream" line about the bombers; I have cited it, as you can see !!
There is no more hate, murder and injustice in the Islamic religion then there is in the Judeo/Christian religions, it is the way they are interpreted and put into action. IMHO the world would be a happier and safer place if we had no formal religions.
Ya honestly the people on the left blaming American right wingers without evidence were as stupid as those on the right blaming the Arabs without any evidence. But otherwise America IS TO BLAME for terrorist attacks against it. The idea that we can kill their people, support their tyrants, and steal their resources without any recourse is INSANE!! They hate America for a reason. On top of those reasons, we are idiotic hypocrites. So we go around the world killing, supporting tyranny, and behaving in the most illiberal fashion. But we still tell everyone about democracy, freedom, liberalism, and how great we are. Can you imagine how frustrating that must seem to the rest of the world.
Being part of the "rest of the world" I can say it is becoming less frustrating to understand. We just say "Oh the US must have vested interests like oil or strategic position", we are not always right, just 99% of the time.
And from the "living in the desert and really have no idea what is happening" cross referenced with the "John Lennon meaningless world view" files, we have this little gem.
