Brazil is ALL-IN on Renewable Energy and Electric Vehicles

And here's another helpful primer I did on the actual EPA scam behind eliminating IC engines and how it works.

Again, fact check to your heart's content.

 

Yes, they are called golf carts. Our retirement community is full of them.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/opini...591179#:~:text=Truly, this has,by the experts.

 

Nice try. Please copy and paste the section where it states that you won't have the freedom to buy or keep your gas guzzler.

 

I've said ad infinitum that you'll be able to keep your ICE vehicles as long as you can keep them running. We'll be the next Cuba.

But you won't be able to buy another.

And that's unbelievably destructive.

Now please copy and paste (it's all progressives can manage) something relevant.

 

That is happening somewhat now. Due to the price of new cars used car lots are "empty". And there is not much demand for used EV's.

 

It's hard to find a flip-top phone nowadays. That's the way it goes with obsolete technology. You can still find a typewriter at second-hand stores. Unless you were born after 1990, it's fairly certain you will continue to be able to purchase new gas guzzlers throughout your lifetime.

 

Oh, I know that. I'm pretty certain the whole con will collapse here in June resulting in an overflow of progressive tears and possibly rending of garments when their almost half century of legislative fraud unravels taking the artificially inflated EV market with it.

You simply clearly don't understand and I've tried my best to help. But there's nothing you or any of your fellow authoritarian wanna-bes can do about it now.

Just watch and weep.

 

LOL. BYD just lowered the price of their Seagull to $9700 in China. Is that your idea of "a collapse". Cool car, huh?

 

Irrelevant as usual. Same inherent technical weakness, still only useful to a limited swath of the population that can afford to live with the weakness.

And it still does nothing about June.

 

Having ample hydro is a real blessing to a country. Norway has plenty of hydro, and they get over 90% of their energy needs from it.

 

Cool golf cart.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-mad...:text=Getting back to,are better economically.

 

Wow, you are all over the place. First you say that EV are "over-inflated". I prove that wrong, then you change the topic to the cars are inadequate. I prove that wrong (some of the highest safety standards in the world). Back and forth - back and forth. Don't buy one - fine. But you should stop posting lies.

 

BYD received three times as much direct government subsidy in 2023 as they did in 2022. Do you suspect that has anything to do with the ability to drop prices? Could be a coincidence I suppose.

 

Link please, because you seem to be lacking a lot of information about BYD's strategies. I'm a shareholder, so I follow them very closely.

 

You bet.


https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/E...gives-EV-sector-billions-of-yuan-in-subsidies

When I get a chance later today I’ll flesh out a little more about these companies receiving large subsidies from the Chinese government. For now here’s a link to previous content I’ve posted on the subject. Essentially they are exporting coal emissions to Indonesia.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1074618496/

Ummm. What am I lacking?

 

You haven't proved anything.

 

More on the BYD golf cart sponsored by the Chinese Communist Party.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/...:text=Chinese electric-vehicle,EV model there.

 

One of the Chinese companies in the above cite that is receiving large direct subsidies is EV battery maker CATL.

CATL is ramping up production in Indonesia.


https://www.greencarcongress.com/2023/12/20231229-indonesia.html

The increased EV production activity in Indonesia is ballooning coal based CO2 emissions.


https://news.mongabay.com/2023/08/c...urn-even-more-fossil-fuel-for-green-tech/amp/

The real kicker is we are also subsidizing Indonesia to reduce coal use for grid power.

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/indonesia/

What is the JETP you ask?

https://greennetwork.asia/news/what-is-just-energy-transition-partnerships/

The US is chipping in.

https://www.reuters.com/business/co...ln-move-indonesia-away-coal-power-2022-11-15/

Are we starting to put it all together? Indonesia is taking $20B to get coal out of electricity generation. They take the $20B. To circumvent coal grid power they take money from China to build captive coal plants off grid to smelt and perform other operations for EV production. Indonesia ends up INCREASING coal emissions by 50%. But because it’s captive coal and off grid we still come through with $20B in incentives and subsidies.

It’s a win for China. They get a bunch of raw materials processed with coal while keeping the CO2 emissions off their balance sheet. It’s a win for Indonesia. They get money from China, the US, Japan, etc. to actually INCREASE coal use by 50%. The JETP wins. They get to show a reduction in grid power in Indonesia from coal. The US wins. We get to puff out our chests by showing how great the JETP is.

Oh wait. There is one loser. The environment. Coal emissions increase as we’ve seen above.

Rainforests get destroyed. Local inhabitants are displaced and negatively impacted by pollution and lack of resources. Oceans are polluted. Local erosion increases.


https://news.mongabay.com/2024/02/i...environment-and-human-rights-report-says/amp/

https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/...tion-nickel-mines-clearing-indonesian-forests

https://news.mongabay.com/2022/02/r...g-takes-its-toll-on-indonesias-spice-islands/

They say to make an omelette you must crack some eggs.

 

Finally some links. I knew there were subsidies involved, but I got tired of unsupported statements. All countries try to get ahead in research and development, and provide subsidy incentives. I'm not going to judge from the sidelines. First of all, none of us have any idea about what is REALLY happening. We know what we read. China's stock markets have been reeling for 3 years, while the US market has been breaking records. What's causing that? We can read about it, and draw conclusions. But we don't know all the outlying factors, including the political ones. You can throw stones at China, and many may be deserved, but consider the following:.

The US also provides subsidies:

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...-suppliers-make-advanced-vehicles-2023-08-31/

US offers $12 billion to auto makers, suppliers for advanced vehicles

Germany does subsidies.

https://www.reuters.com/business/en...s-subsidies-e-car-charging-systems-2023-06-29

Germany to earmark 900 million euros in subsidies for e-car charging systems

The list goes on - Korea, Japan, etc. Also, Western nations team up with subsidies to fight China's dominance.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/...bsidy-rules-with-us-europe-nikkei-2023-10-23/

Japan aims for joint EV, chip subsidy rules with U.S. and Europe - Nikkei

In addition, many countries provide consumer incentives. People complain about these, But keep in mind that it is governments who are responsible for cities to meet air quality standards. Pressure to the federal government comes from State and Local officials, who manage cities that are often out of compliance. This happens in other countries as well. China's cities were horrendous with air pollution. Electrification (cars and mass transit) has made some of their cities (i.e. Guanzhou) some of the most beautiful cities in the world.

People used to voice these same complaints about Japan, and this resulted in better autos being produced by American companies. Partnerships were developed with Japanese companies. The same is happening now with China. We shouldn't confuse healthy business relationships, research and development, incentives, etc with WARS.

 

The Chinese Communist Party is at war with the US. They are winning without firing a shot. Selling EV’s, solar panels, and wind turbines to the western democracies is part of their 100 year plan.

 

You didn't read my last paragraph. Both political parties in the US are fear-mongering about China. With partnerships like the recent one with Borg-Warner, they are showing that they want to work together.

People used to voice these same complaints about Japan, and this resulted in better autos being produced by American companies. Partnerships were developed with Japanese companies. The same is happening now with China. We shouldn't confuse healthy business relationships, research and development, incentives, etc with WARS.

 

The Chinese Communist Party only wants to work with the western democracies to gain an advantage or to put the western democracies at a disadvantage or optimally both. Proof - one word: Fentanyl.

— Blood Money: Why the Powerful Turn a Blind Eye While China Kills Americans by Peter Schweizer
https://a.co/ascLfFW

 

I’m less concerned with subsidies than the destruction of rainforests, increased coal emissions, ocean pollution, topsoil erosion, and wildlife obliteration. I think the term we are dealing with here is greenwashing.

I have no interest in pitting countries against one another or flag waving.

My goal is to educate so people have knowledge of things they won’t hear about otherwise. I maintain decisions on climate actions ought to be based on full disclosure of facts and a full accounting of positive and negative effects of actions taken. I attempt to fill in the gaps with verifiable data, peer reviewed research, etc. I know what I post often sounds crazy, but that’s just because usually what people believe is a one sided (often false) narrative they have been fed for years or decades.

To put your mind at ease, I don’t post opinions unless I warn you first it’s an opinion. On matters of science, including all aspects of climate science, I don't blow smoke. If I post something like the subsidy to EV manufacturers in China you can rest assured it’s a verifiable fact with supporting evidence, not an unsubstantiated opinion.

Sometimes I don’t initially include links to evidence for every little detail. Admittedly I get lazy, especially when 9 times out of 10 people don’t care about evidence anyway.

 

This was a lot to take in, so I didn't read it yesterday. Just the fact that you were able to cite a number of references to these abuses, means that the abuses are widely being scrutinized worldwide. I would hope the International community would take action. Something as simple as signaling out specific actions of certain countries at a COP conference may work wonders. Even the articles that you cited could be directly influencing leaders of these countries as we speak. My wife calls me overoptimistic.

All this said, other countries can report continuing abuse by the US. We still have the highest per capita usage of almost all the world's resources. They can ask - "With all their wealth in the US, why don't they build a high speed rail network connecting their cities?"

 

I’m not as optimistic. The greenwashing problem is built on a foundation of profit. A company destroying the environment building EVs doesn’t want to cut profits any more than an oil or gas company.

The next paragraphs are my opinion.

I don’t see the average EV manufacturers doing what they do out of concern for the environment. It’s profit motive taking advantage of opportunity. I don’t see governments holding EV manufacturers accountable either as governments today are symbiotically attached to these businesses. I guess oligarchy comes to mind. You don’t kill or abuse the goose currently laying the most golden eggs. You FEED that bloody goose!

You are right about Americans. We don’t want to change any aspect of quality of life. We are spoiled in our decadence and won’t change. Nobody would ride a rail network because that would be giving up a luxury we are accustomed to. Also we don’t WANT real solutions to environmental problems. That would kill the goose laying the golden egg!

Back to more solidly evidence based content….we have biological solutions to the atmospheric CO2 “problem”. Nature developed them over the last eons. We just have to implement them.

We also have tech solutions like nuclear that have been ignored for decades. At some point one has to question why available solutions are not implemented.