BREAKING : Florida School shooting, 20 injured.

It's not an automatic weapon.

 

Members of the republican party are accusing these individuals of being actors, while at the same time CNN is calling these individuals liars for saying the town hall event was rehearsed, and claiming they were given a pre-written script to read on the air.

 

“Let’s focus more on addressing these problems in mental health that we’ve started to deal with in Congress. Let’s close loopholes, let’s figure out what went wrong with government before people start talking about taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.” Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA)

 

Provably the combination of mass psychosis and a kill method that requires no particular skill.

 

How are we going to deal with the problem of mental health in the Congress? If our government was sane most of the problems would become moot.

 

So obviously it is not the gun that is the problem. Colt started selling the AR-15 to civilians in 1964 and only recently has it become the weapon of choice of mass shooters. This would indicate that it is people, and not the gun, that have become the problem.

 

So how come I can't get mine to fire full auto? Maybe it's defective and I should take it back to the dealer.

 

That's exactly right, Guns don't kill people, people kill people. There are too many people killing people, easy access to guns, little or no background checks, guns designed specifically for killing humans, or replicas of same, no cooling off periods, no licensing, no registration, abhorrent gun safety, gun culture, perceived evils (too many to itemize), insecurity, advertising and Conspiracy Theories (again too many to itemize).

THAT'S THE PROBLEM​

 

Exactly. So what has changed? The AR rifle has been available since 1964 but we did not see these mass shootings become so prominent until the late 1990's. Between 1964 and the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban these guns were available. Prior to the instant background check system they were available these guns were available for almost 30 years. Prior to the the GCA of 1968 these guns would have been available by mail. Why now? What has changed?

 

... as demanded by the fact owning a gun is a right...

...except those in place under federal law for the last 25 years....

... which even if true is irrelevant as the right to keep and bear arm is all about killing humans...

.. which have absolutely no effect on people who already have guns or get them illegally...

...which not only violate the constitution, but can not and do not prevent people from committing crime...

... a demonstrably sully statement, but if true, due to the fact the left refuses to consider including it in schools, like sex ed...

...unchanged since the 1700s...

I think you hit all the usual talking points. Well done.

 

likewise, thank you for giving me the standard replies.

No that fact is easily proved, 1000's of the children or relatives of gun owners are accidentally shot each year, with 100's being fatal. It has been found that this is not through lack of education, for even very gun savvy children kill or are killed. One instance I quoted was when a father was unloading his gun it fired shooting his son in the head. I argue why was a round in the chamber in the first place. I get shot down by your side. In the military, well in Australia anyway, if you're in a camp or safe place it is against regulations to have one up the spout.

So far no one has come close to matching lives saved with children accidentally shot. That's any life saved, versus accidental children shot, not including massacres or murders.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103828114
Trinity K Ross: 4 years old, shot by her 6 year old brother
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103263078/aaliyah-destiny-boyer
Aaliyah was struck in the top of her head by a stray bullet, apparently celebratory gunfire, when she went outside to watch New Year's fireworks, she was 10.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/guns-120-kids-newtown-article-1.1391208
Sincere Tymere Smith, aged 2, Shot on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Accidentally shot himself in chest with dad's gun that had been left on a table
Travin Varise Baton Rouge, LA M, aged 2 Shot on Monday, January 21, 2013 Accidentally shot by brother, 18
Tmorej Smith Greenville, SC M, aged 3 Shot on Friday, February 01, 2013
Accidentally shot while playing with pink gun with his sister, 7
Nevaeh Morales Denver, CO F, aged 4 Shot on Wednesday, February 06, 2013
Murder-suicide by mother, using shotgun and handgun
Amera Jones Detroit, MI F, aged 7 Shot on Friday, February 15, 2013
Shot by father, who has a concealed weapons permit
Sebastian Swartz Decatur, OH M, aged 9 Shot on Monday, February 18, 2013
Accidentally shot himself while playing with dad's gun
Roderick Paige Prichard, AL M, aged 4 Shot on Sunday, March 31, 2013
Accidentally shot in chest with gun left on dresser; apparently self-inflicted

Oh and that was just a selection from a 4 month period

This was from a few clicks on the FBI map, show me how guns are good for self defence now

 

Your talking points are well-worn, and the responses are obvious, so...

The number of gun-related accidental deaths of people aged 0-19, averaged over 17 years, is 151.
Compare that to, what, 350-360 million guns? Existential crisis, that.

How is this an example of an accident that did not stem form a lack of education?

Given the lack of context it is impossible to say. Kinda renders your question and your example moot.

I also see you did not address the issue of firearms safety education in schools, like sex ed.

Easy peasy.
According to the rabidly anti-gun VPC, firearms are used in self-defense ~67,700 times per year.
This is ~3x more often than a gun is used for suicide
This is ~8x more often than a gun is used to commit murder
This is ~450x more often than a child accidentally dies from gunshot.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

 

http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf Thanks for the reference it will come in handy
Oh did you read your references conclusion, I guess not so here it is.

This was your reference, thanks again, I will use it often

P.S. read your references before you post them, just friendly advice

 

That one didn't but explain how you educate 2,3 and 4 year olds about gun safety. Look at the ages in my post

 

It is when you cherry pick numbers, you did read the conclusion of that document YOU referenced didn't you.

 

If you know any other things that will help me, let me know, I will be sure you get the credit

 

I'm sorry you don't like the VPC numbers and what they do to your argument, but there's nothing I can do about it.
Firearms are usee in self-defense far more often than to commit murder, suicide or accidentally kill a child; this addresses your challenge in full.

The conclusion is irrelevant to the point I made with the data supplied by the VPC.
But,. you know this.

I also see you did not address the issue of firearms safety education in schools, like sex ed.

 

That is the perfect example of cherry picking, pick the numbers and ignore the conclusion LOL

 

The conclusion of the article is irrelevant to the point made with the data pulled from it.
You know this, as you have refused to address that point.

The number of gun-related accidental deaths of people aged 0-19, averaged over 17 years, is 151.
Compare that to, what, 350-360 million guns? Existential crisis, that.

 

I think there are a few thousand parents that would disagree with you

 

As you posted:

The number of justifiable homicides that occur in our nation each year pale in comparison to criminal homicides,

Why is the number of justifiable homicides relevant when determining the total quantity of defensive gun uses?

 

I give you facts, you respond with an appeal to emotion.
Typical.

Meanwhile, you refuse to address the points put to you.
Also typical.

 

What points, I think I addressed every word.

 

Meaninglessly, sure.

To wit:
Me:
The number of gun-related accidental deaths of people aged 0-19, averaged over 17 years, is 151.
Compare that to, what, 350-360 million guns? Existential crisis, that.
You:
I think there are a few thousand parents that would disagree with you
^^^
Meaningless appeal to emotion

You:
show me how guns are good for self defence now
Me:
According to the rabidly anti-gun VPC, firearms are used in self-defense ~67,700 times per year.
This is ~3x more often than a gun is used for suicide
This is ~8x more often than a gun is used to commit murder
This is ~450x more often than a child accidentally dies from gunshot.
You:
That is the perfect example of cherry picking, pick the numbers and ignore the conclusion
^^^
Does not meaningfully address the information presented to you

I give you facts, you fail to meaningfully respond
As per the norm.

And then:
As you posted:

The number of justifiable homicides that occur in our nation each year pale in comparison to criminal homicides,

Why is the number of justifiable homicides relevant when determining the total quantity of defensive gun uses?

 

Have you tried any of the modifications that adapt it to firing in what is virtually identical to full auto mode?