* BREAKING: Reporter and camera man murdered on live TV ! (video)

I thought requiring IDs was racist and oppressive?

Can't you guys keep your talking points straight?

 

No actually, I don't. There's a big difference between voting and buying a gun. Stop being obtuse and recognize that they are not one and the same.

 

Virginia TV gunman Vester Flanagan, a.k.a. Bryce Williams, lived in an apartment devoid of any decoration – save for pictures of himself.

A video taken of Flanagan's residence and obtained by NBC News shows a sparse one-bedroom apartment furnished with the basics, including a black leather couch, a computer desk and a mattress stripped of sheets and pillows.

The only hint of personality is Flanagan's refrigerator, which is covered in photographs of himself, largely publicity stills from his days as a television reporter.

On Wednesday, Flanagan opened fire on WDBJ reporter Alison Parker, 24, and cameraman Adam Ward, 27, during a live broadcast in Virginia on Wednesday, killing both of them. He later turned the gun on himself.

A third victim, Vicki Gardner, whom Parker was interviewing when Flanagan began shooting, saw her condition upgraded from stable to good on Thursday morning.

Flanagan reportedly became enraged after he was fired from WDBJ, where he worked as a reporter from March 2012 to February 2013.

Following his dismissal, he refused to leave the building and ultimately had to be escorted out by police.

On his way out, he threw a wooden cross at then WDBJ news director Dan Dennison and said, "You'll need this," while looking Dennison straight in the eye.

In an interview with the Associated Press, Dennison described Flanagan as a "professional victim" who took offense to almost anything.

"He was victimized by everything and everyone and could never quite grasp the fact that he was the common denominator in all of these really sometimes serious interpersonal conflicts that he had with people," Dennison said.

After his termination, Flanagan filed a civil lawsuit complaining that his colleagues had "carefully orchestrated" his ousting. "Your Honor, I am not the monster here," he wrote in a letter to Roanoke city general district court judge Francis Burkhart in May 2013. But that lawsuit was eventually dismissed based on a lack of evidence.

According to a 23-page document Flanagan sent to ABC News the morning of the shooting, he killed his two pet cats in a forest subsequent to his dismissal "because of them."

In a series of tweets before his suicide, Flanagan, posting under the handle Bryce Williams, alleged that Parker "made racist comments" and that "Adam went to hr on me after working with me one time!!!"

WDBJ general manager Jeff Marks vehemently disputed those claims. He said that Flanagan filed a claim with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, but the EEOC "dismissed the claim out of hand, and that was that." He described Flanagan as "an unhappy man" who "quickly gathered a reputation as someone who was difficult to work with."

Flanagan uploaded two videos depicting the graphic, execution-style killings. The account was quickly suspended and the videos were taken down. As policed closed in on his rented vehicle, Flanagan shot himself in the head.

A search of Flanagan's car on Wednesday revealed that he had a wig, six magazines of ammunition, 17 stamped letters, three license plates and a to-do list with him when he shot himself. Authorities suspect he intended to flee the state.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/17...ey-tell-us-about-the-power-of-cinema-20140728

 

Both are rights, if showing an ID oppresses and denies on the one then why not the other? This is about showing the ID, what is the difference?

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I'm contrasting showing an ID what is the difference?

 

He had plenty of people to speak with, he was given numerous opportunities at both stations, they tried to work with him and referred him to people he could talk with. He chose the people whom he listened to and apparently he chose the race baiters.

Now why doesn't Obama come out and speak against them instead of blaming it on the gun?

 

LOL that proves everything I need to know. Its ok for someone to vote illegally but you presume gun buyers guilty. So tell me, what is wrong with requiring an ID to vote?

 

Two days ago, ABC News reported that Vester Flanagan, the murderer of two WDBJ employees, sent a 23-page faxed manifesto to ABC News. ABC reported bits and pieces of the manifesto.

Yet we still haven’t seen the full document. ABC hasn’t made it available. Why?


John Nolte and others have been busy hammering away at the racial hypocrisy of many in the media after treating Flanagan’s crimes very differently from Dylann Roof’s. Unquestionably, they were both racially motivated. But you’d never know that from reading the headlines in the Washington Post or other mouthpieces that enable the (one way) racial grievance industry.



Some of them are particularly dishonest brokers when it comes to reporting on the racist motives of evil wrongdoers. Nolte:

A CBS report never mentioned the shooter’s racial comments at all. The piece did tiptoe around the shooter’s problems with race in two paragraphs, but never actually stated his race rhetoric seen in the explicit terms revealed in his manifesto.

Then, a piece in the Chicago Tribune called the killer “off kilter” and “bizarre” but steered clear of fully reporting on his racist ideas.

One reporter, The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel, even took to Twitter to wring his hands over the reporting of Flanagan’s racist manifesto, saying to Breitbart’s John Nolte, “Do you worry at all that the ‘race war’ story does what the killer wanted?”

To be sure, Weigel was far less worried about stirring racial strife when he wrote a Bloomberg piece dissecting the racial motives of Charleston killer Dylann Roof.

It’s understandable, perhaps, that some of them simply lack the courage to confront evil motives in whatever color they come. Others have been conditioned to believe that racial wrongdoing is a one-way street. The worst are handmaidens of the ethnic front groups who view racial strife as the means to power and cash. But no race is free from racially motivated bad actors.

Until ABC News releases the full text of Flanagan’s hate manifesto, the public won’t get the full story of what motivated and animated him. Perhaps that provides a clue as to what might be in it and why ABC News, so far, has decided to hide the manifesto.

 

You realize this works both ways, right? I could say, "If you don't want an ID to buy a gun, then voters shouldn't need one to vote." I don't because I realize there is a big difference between the two. Keep trying to equate two separate issues, it makes you look ridiculous.

 

Very curious. If it had to do with something in the investigation and trying to capture some accomplices or something like that maybe and the FBI asked them not to let it out. But we know who did it. And it is the property of ABC.

So why are they hiding it.

 

So why is it a denial of a right and an oppression to have to show an ID on the one hand but not the other.

You can't really come up with a reason can you.

A poor black family is being threatened by a group of skin-head white supremacist and want to buy a gun for protection but they have no ID, you would prevent them from exercising their right to do so. How do you justify that?

 

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. That he had plenty of people to speak to, that they tried to work with him, and that he was motivated by the fox news term "race baiters." I'm sorry, but you don't know any of things for sure. What's clear is that this wasn't a simple case of racism, or homophobia, or resenting whitey because those things happen on a daily basis in the thousands, and we don't have these types of murders daily in the thousands. White people would literally be dodging bullets on their way to work.And if people acted on racist impulses with murder, the south wouldn't have any minorities left.

For him to be able to justify murder shows that something in his brain was not right, that's a sickness. Also, we found out today he planned a get away, not a murder-suicide which shows that he premeditated for some time. Without access to affordable, available mental health resources, we'll never know if it could have been prevented. It's like saying, we don't think it will work, so let's not even try. Gun advocates like to stress that the person is to blame, not the gun. I tend to agree, so then let's focus on people. We can't just ignore this violence.

Mental health has been treated with such a stigma in our country, we'd just rather throw them to the privately run jails that exist for profit, not rehabilitation. Then we wonder why recidivism is so high for violent offenders.

 

An ID as a denial of a right are your words, not mine. I don't think the republican call for ID's at the voting booth is a denial of a right. I think it is simply the republican way of making it harder for the people who are not likely to vote republican, to vote.

Are we just making up hypotheticals now? Let's just ignore the highly improbable scenario of not 1 person in an entire family not having an ID.

Ok, my turn. In this scenario, the skinhead has an epiphany about black people ala American History X and decides to marry the young daughter of the black family. They have a mixed race child who discovers a new energy source that unites humanity and ushers in an era of peace and prosperity. Crisis averted.

 

I think there is more constitutional validity to requiring a voter ID than requiring a federal background check for a gun purchase or filing out a 4473

why do Democrats often whine about Voter ID but want even more restrictions on gun buying? Could it be that voter fraud benefits Democrats and restricting gun owners is also something Democrats approve of? Bad politicians and voter fraud is actually far more dangerous than some people buying guns through legal channels who have records. BTW BGCs have never been proven to decrease criminal activity

 

No you are just exposing your ignorance of the matter. Try listening to the press conferences with the people he worked with and for.

He knew it was murder, he knew it was wrong.

There goes the insanity plea.

It was made available to him, get your facts straight.

What we know is he mentioned the hyped up race baiting mantra, without that it very likely wouldn't have happened, he would not have had it driven into him that it was whitey's fault that his life was in a shambles giving him reason to strike out.

Now about that ID thing and more gun control...........still dancing or ready to answer?

 

So then the leftist excuses that having to show an ID is a violation of someone's right are not valid in opposing voter ID and no reason to oppose voter ID laws.

 

The ex-news director of the station nailed it:

"Bryce seemed to have a long history that predates his time at WDBJ of being a professional victim," said Dennison, who was Flanagan's supervisor. "He [felt he] was victimized by everything and everyone and could never quite grasp the fact that he was the common denominator in all of these really sometimes serious interpersonal conflicts that he had with people. That he was the source of it."

He was a professional victim. Everywhere he looked, he saw racism and homophobia, even though it wasn't there. He was validated in that paranoia at every turn by the relentless race and homo baiting of the left-wing MSM and government Sharpton-ites; Obama and pals. He was a serial-failure at his chosen profession, and sought to blame everyone and everything for that, except for himself - "the victim". He was the product of the institutionalized victimhood of the left.

 

I don't know who you are quoting on this. It's not me and it seems to be the center peice of your argument. Is there a source you are working from so I could have some context?

 

Absolutely correct...........and that is the reality that the media does not want people to understand because it destroys the liberal narrative at it's very core.

There are many(perhaps the majority)blacks who have the same problem...always blaming whitey for all their failures.....and of course as pointed out--they were set up for this fallacious mindset by our public schools, the media itself, politicians and the so called black leadership.

The bottom line is simply this.....we have a huge minority population that cannot be assimilated into mainstream society....they are just too different--Abraham Lincoln understood this and talked about it..... even easier to see today--yet the racial situation in America is like the fairytale of 'The Emperor Has No Clothes' no one wants to admit to the truth of the matter....most are willing to go along with the fallacious liberal narrative.

 

If we agree then no need, and glad you agree showing an ID to vote does not violate anyone's right to vote and is a reasonable common sense measure just as with purchasing a firearm.

 

They can never explain the difference rather they obfuscate with the "well voting is different from buying a gun" which is not the issue. The issue is is having to so an ID the exercise a right the same as having to show an ID to exercise a right if not what is the difference.

 

I admire your effort, but I think you know I reject that assertion.

 

Well which is it, showing an ID violates and denies you your rights or it doesn't?

 

Here's a link to a research paper on Lincoln's viewpoint that blacks should be sent back to Africa or otherwise separated from the white population:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5p-4_Morgan.html

IMO our society has progressed beyond the point Lincoln was dealing with in the days leading up to the Civil War, but one paragraph depicts the Southern understanding of the potential for violence in the black population, which appears to have been a major impediment to support for their freeing:

"Less than one third of the white families in the South had any direct connection with slavery, either as owners or as persons who hired slave labor from others. Moreover, fewer than 2,300 of the one and a half million white families in the South owned 50 or more slaves, and could therefore be regarded as slave-holding magnates.26

The vast majority of Southerners thus had no vested interest in retaining or extending slavery. But incitement by Northern abolitionists, where fewer than 500,000 blacks lived, provoked fears in the South, where the black population was concentrated, of a violent black uprising against whites. (In South Carolina, the majority of the population was black.) Concerns that the writings and speeches of white radicals might incite blacks to anti-white rampage, rape and murder were not entirely groundless. Southerners were mindful of the black riots in New York City of 1712 and 1741, the French experience in Haiti (where insurgent blacks had driven out or massacred almost the entire white population), and the bungled effort by religious fanatic John Brown in 1859 to organize an uprising of black slaves.

What worried Southerners most about the prospect of an end to slavery was fear of what the newly-freed blacks might do. ..."

 

I was responding to a Christians that said this was because of Godless people

I agree with you though.. theists have done many bad things, Muslims, Christians, ect...

btw, what was the religion of THIS killer?

"but you just keep buying what the ******* press keeps feeding you. Don't forget to wipe'

and please..... stop calling people *******s and talking about wiping .. we can all be civil here I hope and not call the other side names

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I support ID's for both. I would support fingerprinting for both as well. Fingerprint when you register and fingerprint scan when you vote. Same with buying a gun.