California governor blames devastating wildfires on climate change and says deadly winter infernos w

California's governor has said that deadly wildfires in the winter will be 'the new normal', as fire crews rushed to contain the fires, with dry desert winds expected to intensify over the weekend.

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Will someday in California please slap this moron upside the head? (No offense to morons.)


Pre-2000Edit

Remains of houses destroyed in the 1991 Oakland Hills firestorm.

• Santiago Canyon Fire (1889). Burned on the order of 310,000 acres (130,000 ha).
• Berkeley Fire (1923): destroyed 640 structures, including 584 homes
• Griffith Park Fire (1933). Official death toll was 29 firefighters, but may have killed up to 58.
• Rattlesnake Fire (1953). 15 firefighters were killed in this arsonist's fire.
• Bel Air Fire (1961). 484 homes were destroyed; 112 injuries.
• Laguna Fire (1970). 382 homes burned, killing eight people.
• Painted Cave Fire (1990). 1 death and 430 buildings burnt in this arson fire near Santa Barbara.
• Oakland Hills firestorm (1991). Killed 25 people. Destroyed 2,843 single-family homes and 437 multi-family units.
• Laguna Beach fire (1993). 441 homes destroyed, $528 million damage. Cause: arson.
• Mount Vision Fire (1995). 45 homes destroyed. Cause: illegal campfire.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_wildfires


"Climate change is certainly important on some landscapes. But at lower elevation, we should not be thinking just about climate change," said Keeley. "We should be thinking about all global change." Land use change and population growth create more opportunities for fires to start.

The high frequency of fire has instigated a persistent switch from chaparral to grass in some areas. Frequent fire favors quick germination and spread of forbs and grasses. Most grasslands in California are not native.

Since the more recent arrival of immigrants from Europe and Asia, several of the exotic grasses they brought with them from the Old World have been quick to capitalize on the opportunities presented by fires to spread invasively throughout roughly a quarter of chaparral country. To Keeley, this means that prescribed fires in lower elevation ecosystems now have entirely different consequences for the regional ecology than they did when native Californian peoples set fires to manipulate resources.

"When the Native Americans did it, they did not affect native species so much, because native perennial bunchgrass and other herbaceous species grew in," said Keeley. "Once the aliens got here, it completely changed"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140806173838.htm

 

The answer is simple governor moonbeam. Raise taxes on your residents and look to the positive side. That very same climate change will soon raise the level of the ocean and put out the fires. See, there will be a happy ending. Back to your pipe and mushrooms.

 

Hey moonbeam, the Ventura fire has burned 150000 acres while the Santiago canyon fire in 1899 burned 310000 acres. Put the crack pipe down!

 

A 70-year-old woman died in her car along an evacuation route...

First Fatality In Southern California Wildfires Confirmed
December 9, 2017 • A 70-year-old woman died in her car along an evacuation route.
Medical officials confirmed the first fire-related fatality in Southern California’s most recent spate of wildfires to HuffPost on Saturday.

See also:

Firefighters Protect Coastal California Towns as Blaze Rages
December 11, 2017 — Firefighters kept a wall of flames from descending mountains into coastal neighborhoods after a huge and destructive Southern California wildfire exploded in size, becoming the fifth largest in state history.

 

What a way to die.

Poor woman.

 

Between 25 and 50 firefighters died in the Griffith Park fire in 1933 which was a bit before the oh so so scary AGW "changed California climate".

 

Since these fires are not new, it's hard to have pity on the fools who built homes in fire ally

 

I don't think they are fools but they should accept the risk along with the reward. I built my house in remote woods that a fire truck can't reach and I can't even get fire insurance. It's my choice and if I lose everything I won't ask for pity or to be made financially whole by government or anyone else.

 

Is it your choice that firefighters die trying to save you or your ignorantly placed house?

 

They won't even try. You can't get a fire truck up my access road. I looked into it before building and had the fire chief come look at my property. He said you're on your own out here. If there was a forest fire there would be fire crews fighting it and I'm sure they would bomb my house with retardant but that's about it.

 

Would you know which months of the year those fires you cited took place in? It seems that would be relevant to make your point.

 

Here's an interesting theory about the fires from Dutchsense. He's the one who follows magma swarms around the world and knows where and when an earthquake will hit.. (To the chagrin of the geologists who say it's impossible, and sabotage him at the expense of the lives that could be saved because of his predictions.)

He said that the recent small earthquakes went along the same path as the recent fires in Southern California, and that there are fracking operations there. Those operations break through the earth's crust, so there might be leaks of methane gas causing the fires. It's the second time he noticed the relationship between fires and earthquakes.

 

Southern California is in a drought and long drought periods are the norm for this area which is basically a desert so no month of fire isn't important. Combine drought with Santa Ana winds and you get huge fires. That is normal and not anything new as brown suggest.

 

Interesting theory but sounds a bit wacky. You never know though.

 

I use to go to Greece in the summer, and it doesn't rain from June to September. Whatever trees there were around Athens, were burned by the Germans, so the area was totally barren.

On August 15 the trade winds start blowing, so everything becomes kindle wood. They passed a law about cutting down trees, so at one time whoever wanted to build on his property, would set it on fire. I'm sure they got rid of that law. Anyway the Greeks realized with Israel, how trees can bring in more humidity, so they had the students plant tree all over the country. . and it worked beautifully. There are now forests, and there are even clouds in the summer.

Problem is that these beautiful pines are not indigenous, and when there is a fire it spreads quickly... and it's taken advantage of by the saboteurs in a neighboring country so as to hinder the economy... and it has. It's not unusual for sixty fires to start on the day the wind blows.

So talking about climate change, from the time the trees in the mountain next to Athens burned, there has been a rise in temperature of 10 degrees.

 

It should be looked into but it won't, since it involves fracking.

 

Fracking in California? Don't think so.

 

I guess that means that you prefer not to talk about in which months the fires you listed previously happened? Or you don't know in which months?

 

As I said it's irrelevant because southern California is in a prolonged drought.

 

Of course it's irrelevant when you're trying to make a partisan point instead of a rational point. It's extremely irrelevant when an honest answer might work against your partisan point, "conservatives" good and "liberals" bad.

No, I get it Sawyer.

 

What you don't get is California has a long history of extended droughts and fires. Apparently you also missed my post on how California's environment has changed due to man introducing grass and weed species that are highly combustible. Trying to blame changing climate is nothing but politics when science should be the issue.


"Climate change is certainly important on some landscapes. But at lower elevation, we should not be thinking just about climate change," said Keeley. "We should be thinking about all global change." Land use change and population growth create more opportunities for fires to start.
"The high frequency of fire has instigated a persistent switch from chaparral to grass in some areas. Frequent fire favors quick germination and spread of forbs and grasses. Most grasslands in California are not native.

Since the more recent arrival of immigrants from Europe and Asia, several of the exotic grasses they brought with them from the Old World have been quick to capitalize on the opportunities presented by fires to spread invasively throughout roughly a quarter of chaparral country. To Keeley, this means that prescribed fires in lower elevation ecosystems now have entirely different consequences for the regional ecology than they did when native Californian peoples set fires to manipulate resources.

"When the Native Americans did it, they did not affect native species so much, because native perennial bunchgrass and other herbaceous species grew in," said Keeley. "Once the aliens got here, it completely changed"

 

This past September in Northern California's "Wine Country" an illegal alien started a wildfire that burned over 56,000 acres, killed 22 Americans and burned down 8,889 structures (homes and businesses) and the Jack Ass Gov. Jerry Brown and liberals blamed climate change not the illegal alien who started the fire.

 

But you forget. Immigrants are fleeing their own countries because of you guessed it,climate change. So browns right, that fire was caused by climate change too.lol

 

He also blames the crumbling roads on the lack of taxes.

 

They do fracking in California with Moonbeams blessing. Up to 2000 wells. Moonbeam is talking out both sides of his mouth. There was supposed to be an investigation into the Democrats funneling oil money into his campaign, not sure what became of it. With California politics I imagine their investigations go where the obama investigations against Dems go, nowhere. https://ww2.kqed.org/science/series/fracking-california/