California just killed Uber/Lyft

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    So if you know the difference, then why do you use the phrase incorrectly?
     
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    I’m not, you’re just missing my obvious point.
     
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    The joke is that the government nannies in power in California just destroyed countless of thousands of jobs and small businesses in California. Meanwhile, Uber and Lyft will be largely unaffected.
     
  7. Creasy Tvedt

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    Toldja.

    California Uber and Lyft drivers brace for shutdown over ...
    www.theguardian.com › business › aug › california-ub...

    5 hours ago - Companies threatened to shut down operations over a court ruling ordering them to classify their drivers as employees by 20 August.

    Why Uber and Lyft might shut down in California on Friday ...
    www.washingtonpost.com › technology › 2020/08/19

    5 hours ago - Uber and Lyft don't want to make California drivers employees, so they're on the verge of shutting down. A California Court of Appeals is ...

    Why Uber and Lyft Are about to Shut Down All Operations in ...
    fee.org › articles › why-uber-and-lyft-are-about-to-shut...

    20 hours ago - This Friday, Uber and Lyft are set to entirely shut down ride-sharing operations in California. Sadly, this was preventable. Here's how we got to ...

     
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    Yup, "progressive" horseplay ends in tragedy again:

    The good news is that there's plenty of work cleaning up crap and hypodermic needles off California's streets...
     
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  9. Creasy Tvedt

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    Who ever could have seen this coming?
     
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    What a load of company propaganda!

    People need to go places. Ride shares.

    The bottom feeders like Uber will need to consider their employees as they calculate profits. Yes, prices will go up a little but look at the figures!

    Using Creasy number of $3,600 per driver in a year, my God! Drivers I know get 20 trips on a bad day, thats a 100 trips per 5 day week, thats 5,200 trips a year and gee, thats 50 or 75 cents per trip!!!

    America, or at least California, will be just fine! Those 200,000 workers will have better conditions, will have workmans compensation, unemployment, some disability insurance, retirement improvement, much more!

    California will be just fine, unlike the misery and hellholes of some of the southern states!
     
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    Sure, dave. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are suddenly going to magically appear out of the ether.
     
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    Uber may just leave California and the Uber and Lyft drivers can go work for the taxi companies if they want their jobs.

    I have a neighbor who sometimes drives for Uber and Lyft. He makes about $30/hr minus gas and vehicle maintenance. He is a mechanic by trade, so that part is cheaper for him.
     
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    What are you talking about?

    We have those jobs NOW! It is simply that these companies are doing everything to avoid tge consequences of their sham gig-workers.

    These 2 companies avoid the conseqences of their multi-billion dollar businesses. They have protected themselves from any problens, but America and these workers get no support at all, at America's cost.
     
  14. Creasy Tvedt

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    I'd explain it to you, but it'd just be a waste of time.

    No amount of logic and reason can ever make leftists like yourself understand that companies like Uber and Lyft are anything other than gigantic, bottomless pits filled with money that's hoarded by the greedy fats cats who refuse to share the wealth.

    I'll just point out the simple reality to you that while the drivers are making 50 to 75 cents per trip, both Uber and Lyft are LOSING over 50 cents on each and every ride.

    That is a fact.

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    Sharpen your crayon, and do the math.
     
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  15. Creasy Tvedt

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    Taxis are a completely different entity than ride sharing. There really is no comparison.

    If you understand the differences, you'll understand that it's basically impossible for taxis to fill the gap that Uber and Lyft would leave behind if they stopped operations in California.
     
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    I understand, but that will be their options if Uber leaves. People will pay more for taxis and Uber drivers will find other jobs, whatever they are.
     
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    Taxis aren't an "option" to ridesharing. If you understood the difference between taxis and ride sharing, you would understand that there really is no comparison.

    Find other jobs? Because jobs are that easy to find, huh? You just pluck them off the trees like apples?
     
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    Do you really think people will work, using their own vehicle, for that little money? My neighbor in TX makes $30/hr minus gas and maintenance in the Dallas area. There are no unions and minimum wage is $7.25/hr. The average driver may only average a trip per week. You obviously don't have all of the facts or you refuse to look at them.
     
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    And you completely miss the point of people who drive for Uber/Lyft that WANT to be independent contractors.

    But just as those who blindly supported the PPACA, inflicting what THEY want on other people regardless of what those other individuals want.

    But we can't have that, they may actually BE independent! And this goes far beyond just Uber/Lyft. But as I said, your path forces people to not be able to be independent, and we just cant have that! *sarcasm included*
     
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    California blinked.

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    More BS!
    California didn't "blinked", the court allowed the stay!

    There is no reason Uber and Lyft can't simply pay their drivers for basic income, and then pay bonuses, expenses, etc so the drivers have basic income coming, social security/disability just like waitresses and waiters, and other workers.

    And there ways workers could be independent, too, but with more than the fakery Uber and all the food deliver ripoffs these companies are now doing.
     
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    They blinked.

    Uber and Lyft drivers are still contractors, and it's going to continue to be fought out in court.

    All that money that could be paid to ride share drivers, and left in the pockets of the taxpayers, is instead going to make lawyers rich.

    Because California politicians are stupid.
     
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    How? Please explain.
     
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    Just like the Good Ol Days, where a billion dollar corporations hires drivers to do deliveries or gives rides.

    But in modern world, the drivers can be set their own schedules and amounts of work, and they get minimum wage when working. The same software system can coordinate the connections, customers can pay a bonus or tips if the wish.

    If a driver doesn't be available, they don't get off tge clock. If the drivers don't report to be available, or if there is not enough work, the driver is laid off.
     
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    Hey, Apacherat, let me ask you something. If you were in a taxi, with your family, & due to poor maintenance of the vehicle, let's say, there's a catastrophic accident in which some of your beloved die & others , including you, are left w/ lifelong disabilities & astronomical medical bills (&, w/ none of the health insurance companies involved willing to cover certain, extremely expensive procedures/treatments which would significantly benefit the survivors) wouldn't you expect the cab co. to fork over a stack of cash, whether voluntarily or as the result of your suing them? And they'd have the required insurance, & the necessary cash for you to be compensated. Know why? Because they're required to. In fact, the accident I described will probably never happen, because of the regulations (naughty word, I know) regarding maintenance which taxi companies are required to follow.

    But are you claiming if the aforementioned accident occurred in an Uber, w/ an ill-maintained personal vehicle & only the minimum insurance, we'd be hearing, " Thank god for free enterprise! " from your hospital bed? To be clear, I am certainly uninformed regarding the specifics of taxi regulations (which would vary by state, anyway) and I'm NOT saying there are no stupid regulations. Only that, when we eat a meal & don't get violently ill, use machinery that doesn't injure us, when a nearby chemical plant doesn't explode in a ball of flames, filling the air w/ noxious fumes, or our kids play outside & don't stumble in w/ DDT-poisoning, we benefit from regulations w/o realizing it. And those who condemn regulations, wholesale, would sing a much different tune if we had none.

    But there are more angles to this story. For brevity's sake, I'll stick to a business-oriented one. How is a taxi company, saddled w/ all these terrible regulations meant to insure passenger safety, and that they will have the resources to be held to account when things go wrong, supposed to compete w/ a ride-share service that doesn't have the same burdens to comply with? I'm not saying that Uber should have the same regs as taxi companies, nor that taxi companies shouldn't have any more regulations than another company that provides the same service. But isn't it unfair to all the taxi companies that the playing field is so uneven?
     

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