Can all life be descended from a single-celled organisim?

Based on that statement, should I be running down Schopf's book rather than praising it then?

 

That is one major reason why I boiled GOD down so most can attempt to understand GOD as massive and awesome power.

 

Here is your case in a nutshell.

All life forms started as several chemicals. Those became a single cell. Then the cell somehow replicated. Said replication led to your children.

That sums it up as short as possible.

 

Unless you dreamed that all up, you learned it. Some person persuaded you. How did you independently verify you were not lied to?

 

Yea, that explains it. Somehow.

 

As I do not have the time, skill, money, expertise, personnel, or equipment required to "Independently" verify these things I utilize this little thing we call science and the centuries of pursuit and accumulated knowledge our species has managed to accumulate. Just as you are Okay driving to the store because others have figured out how to build a car and store food, you also know that when you turn your computer on it will run, even though you have not independently verified all the details required for it to happen. I know the sun is there because I can see and feel it (independent verification), I know gold exists because I see it on my finger. I cannot however travel back in time or view a supernova as it happens...instead I must review data from observation and people far more intelligent than myself.
This is how humans expand their knowledge and explore the reality they exist in....You should try it sometime.

 

Let's extract your commentary.

You have no resources to take on such knowledge first hand.
You have a thing you call science you use.
Use the auto as an example.
You assume my background in electronics can't tell me why computers operate.
Because you see the Sun, you are able to draw conclusions, such as GOD does not exist.

But lets deal with all the elements since you bring up gold.

Do you not see it as a major miracle that supposedly the same star, or other stars if that works for you, managed to cook up all the elements?

Really, stop to see that as magic. As much magic as GOD.

When you run me down using your final comment, even though you have no clue of my long standing inquiry into things such as this, you make yourself look bad.

Let's look at elements for a moment longer.

If I had told you that they sprang from nothing, to something, even over a long time, you might think I teach magic.

Observation is showing us a point of time where no such thing as a universe existed.

I know all about the single cell concept. I know the story of life explained by "science." I even recommend a very good science book called Cradle of Life and named the author yet when have any of you posters told me you rushed to read the book and that you got a lot out of it?

A book should not pose much of a problem when you state you rely on science.

 

You cannot observe a thing that is not there, and anything that requires "Magic" to be explained is automatically dismissed from possibility of fact by me.

 

I agree except with ONE THING.

Evolution is no longer a theory.

Evolution is now a PROVEN FACT.....as it has been proven upon a Molecular/Atomic Level which is tantamount to a Mathematical Proof.

And once any theory obtains a Mathematical Proof....it is a Verified Fact.

AA

 

OK....here is the thing.....you do not realize just how close Animate Matter is to Inanimate Matter.

You seem to think that there is some big difference between a rock a person but in reality there is NOT.

Both the rock and the person is completely made upon the smallest level of the exact same thing....Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy.

The ONLY difference between the person and the rock is the difference between how all that Quanta is arranged.

A Virus....which has DNA is NOT ALIVE.

It is inanimate matter.

It is just a step below life and when matter and energy arranges itself into a great enough complexity we get...LIFE!

That is the ONLY DIFFERENCE between the Animate and Inanimate.

Complexity of arrangement.

AA

 

Actually all Matter warps Space-Time no matter how small or large an amount.

AA

 

Um No.
The very post/Sciam article of mine you quoted explains why theories do NOT get "Proven"/Do Not become Laws.
The get affirmed/Validated over time as consistent Evidence accumulates.

It's [DAILY] horrifying to have your Clumsly claim be part of 'our side.'
And you make this riDICulous claim on every page.
There's nothing worse than an unwittingly Wrong ally to ruin a true point.
There is only Mathematical proof for.. MATH problems!

Now please, stop making a mockery of the issue, and Sabotaging the correct side of the debate by Over/Mis-stating the case.
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No...your wrong.

Although in the past when a Theory had sufficient evidence to support it and over a very long time nothing had ever disproved it then it was labeled a fact but in reality this does not really prove it to be a fact.

There is only one way of proving a theory as a FACT....and that is with a mathematical proof.

Now the FACT you posted to me..."There is only Mathematical proof for.. MATH problems!"...unquote Taxonomy26......shows me how very little you understand about this.

Mathematics exist in EVERYTHING.....and as example....

The Fibonacci numbers are Nature's numbering system. They appear everywhere in Nature, from the leaf arrangement in plants, to the pattern of the florets of a flower, the bracts of a pinecone, or the scales of a pineapple.

LINK....http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emat6680/parveen/fib_nature.htm

And HERE...

How Mathematics Can Prove Evolution


Dr. Rosenhouse

For those of you who do not know the name, Dr. Jason Rosenhouse, I urge you to read an article this distinguished professor of mathematics wrote in 2001. It fully refutes all those supposedly “brilliant” minds who peddle Intelligent Design and suggest it to be a) appropriate and factual, b) an accurate refutation of Darwin and his theories, c) at least an equally valid set of scientific insights missed by the great many biologists, chemists, physicists, anthropologists, astronomers and geologists who either ignore or actually refute ID.

LINK....http://www.paleolibrarian.info/2012/06/how-mathematics-can-prove-evolution.html

So do yourself a favor.....before you make a statement about something you don't understand....FIRST LEARN ABOUT IT!!

AA

 

You know it really frosts my ass when I have to do something like this but it had to be done.

AA

 

Well some adults last name is stone. So I suppose they have rocks in their heads.

But seriously, I am not some hick who landed on his back off a turnip truck.

I do understand physics and some Chemistry. I took the first two semesters in college Chemistry but no advanced chemistry. I really don't come close to being real proficient today in those topics. But I was a top student. I have good recall.

Point being, I have also studied "rocks" and in fact have a few very ancient rocks here.

As I said, I studied a super book on early life. It is an outstanding book explaining early life.

 

The only thing that "frosts your ass" is the result of my PORKING it.
by DEFINITION Scientific theories do NOT get 'proven' even if you Scrape/Google up some article that misspeaks.
Mathematical proofs .. are for Math.
Again, see my Sciam article using the correct terminology.
or
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Now, I'm done with you Boy.
Someone else will, have to "Frost your ass".
And please stop Embarrassing us hourly with your Goofy/Wrong claim that evo is "mathematically proven."
What a joke your posts are. Hundreds.
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You asked how a cell formed.

Think of it this way.

I am sure you understand how certain elements and materials form into crystals or how stalactites and stalagmites form.

Well basically in a way that is the same way the first cellular membrane formed.

When elements via chemical reaction formed themselves into DNA and then to such complexity that they in turn used the existing mechanisms of physics and Quantum Evolution to form a cellular membrane.

It's all about the matter and energy....specific to environment and condition using the natural physical laws of the universe.

AA

 

Look....if you simply don't understand something just ASK first!!

The Mathematical Proof exists within the Molecular/Atomic makeup of the Genomes of all life.

And the fact that although every existing Genome of all various species of life has within them millions upon millions of Viral DNA encodings as every time a living thing is infected by a Virus as a living cell takes in a Virus as the Virus fools the cell into thinking it is O2 or Food....the Virus then encodes it's Viral DNA into the Genome of the living cells and reprograms it to use it's own cellular material to make more viruses and when too many exist inside the cell the membrane ruptures and allows Viruses to explode out from the membrane which helps spread the Virus.

However when a Cell is in the process of splitting via Mitosis many times the Virus will encode just enough Viral DNA to kill one of the splitting cells where the other half will survive yet it still has part of the Viral DAN encoding within it's Genome and this makes the Cell IMMUNE as it will now recognize that Virus.

Now as I stated there are millions and millions of different Viral DNA Encodings within all Genomes of various species of life.

BUT ONLY ONE VIRAL DNA ENCODING IS ONE IN THE SAME IN ALL LIFE!!

This is GENETIC PROOF POSITIVE....that the original Living Single Celled Organism was infected by that Virus and passed down that one in the same Viral DNA encoding to all subsequent life that evolved from it.

This is proof upon a Molecular/Atomic Level which is TANTAMOUNT TO A MATHEMATICAL PROOF!!

Don't talk about things you do not know!!!

AA

 

And just to show you how ridiculous this statement of yours is..."by DEFINITION Scientific theories do NOT get 'proven' even if you Scrape/Google up some article that misspeaks.".....end quote Taxonomy26....

At one time there was a Scientific THEORY that the Earth was round and not flat.

At one time there was a Scientific THEORY that the Sun was the center of the solar system and not the Earth.

These scientific theories are now PROVEN FACTS!!!

AA

 

I shall try very hard to explain GOD to the forum.

Mind you, all I have to use is evidence. I can't see GOD.

First to start

A. Matter has always existed as has life always existed. (one concept)

You can't have matter always exists yet that life had finite beginning.

It makes no sense in any way to claim one but not the other.

B. Matter did not always exist (my concept)

This lets you derive that both are created. For if matter can be created, so can life.

Even today, science works hard to create life. They created certain amino acids. They have been dissecting life to the degree they are into the building blocks of life.

Surely if they can't create life, they waste all the time and funds.

So why GOD

I do not accept that matter and life has always existed.

The concept one can't create matter nor destroy it seems logical for humans. But GOD is another cat.

Is GOD to be worshipped? Well, if you want to I won't object. But that is entirely your call.

We have long looked for a grand unifying theory.

But when you deny GOD, you can't solve for that elusive theory.

I dunno why, but to me GOD is crystal clear.

GOD has awesome power and energy. At least I see GOD that way.

 

This has nothing to do with denying a GOD exists.

As an Agnostic....as every person who follows the Scientific Method worth their salt should be....I am VASTLY AWARE that there exists absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE OR PROOF.....to either prove or deny a GOD o GODS exists.

But then there is PROBABILITY.

The Probability of a GOD or GODS existing as advertised in ancient human religious text is NOT ZERO%.....but it is extremely low......1 chance in 10^178th.

A Statistical Impossibility exists at 1 chance in 10^150th.

So is it IMPOSSIBLE for a GOD or GODS to exist??

No....but unlikely in such an extreme the chance exists at less that a statistical impossibility.

And if a GOG or GODS did exist.....it or they used both Quantum and Biological Evolution to generate the Universe, Multiverse and all life within.

As far as our Human Ability to create life.....we have either already done it and are just waiting for verification or we will do it soon.

AA

 

Let me hit you from maybe a new angle.

I suspect you are trying for a GOD to worship.

Matter did not always exist.

Got that part?

Humans perhaps can't create or destroy matter, but that does not mean it can't be done.

I believe GOD created all matter and all energy.

Any other solution is pure madness.

 

OK....bear with me because I am going to try to explain this to you as it is not a concept that most people can easily wrap their heads around but Quantum Mechanics shows this is a fact.

First of all we do know a few things and a person has to first understand these thing to be able to take the next step.

We do know because it is both detectable and measurable that our Universe was first generated at the moment a White Hole began to eject highly excited...ie...HOT....Quantum Particle/Wave Forms out of it and this is known as the BIG BANG.

Now there was no empty space...no time....there was nothing....and in fact the Quanta being ejected created Space-Time as it expanded out from the central point of ejection.

Now....THIS is how we KNOW that our Universe is NOT the only existing Universe.

A White Hole is always connected to a BLACK HOLE.

And in this case an Ultra-Massive Black Hole existing in a Failed Universe as when this what would be Failed Universe had it's own beginning as a White Hole was generated outside of the Membranes...ie...M-Theory....of which is the tapestry and topology and matrix of our Universal Baseline Reality Grouping....because that Failed Universes White Hole ejection point existed at a point outside the Membrane Matrix of Alternate Divergent Universal States in a location where it was surrounded in a manner I can only describe with math as we are talking 26-D....what happened is it's Universal Expansion was CURTAILED!!

It could not expand thus so confined Gravitational Effect caused a Universal Big Crunch and all Matter and Energy in that Universe coalesced into an Ultra-Massive Black Hole.

An Ultra-Massive Black Hole is so massive that it will rip through not only Space-Time but as well rip through Universal Membrane Tapestry and thus it will generate a White Hole outside the Membrane Matrix creating a new White Hole which ejecting all that Quanta which was the Matter and Energy from that Failed Universe in a manner we call the Big Bang.

So the matter and energy in our Universe did NOT COME FROM NOWHERE!!!

And here is the second part you have to TRY to wrap your brain around.

NONEXISTENCE IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!

Humans think of things as per our limited perceptions and senses and we see a beginning and end....or a Past...Present and Future.

But in REALITY....and Quantum Mechanics details this out.....TIME IS NOT LINEAR.

It is CONCURRENT.

AA

 

No you don't have to run anything or anyone down, there's a third option, it's called read something not so out of date, familiarise yourself with new research and information on the topic, if that is what you want to do.

The world is moving so fast ito technology and research, books are out of date almost as soon as they are published... a book almost 20 years old would be considered archaic.

 

You laid out GOD using a framework of science.

I knew you had it in you.