Can anyone tell me what "job bills" the Gop has passed since the midterms.

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  1. Octo

    Octo New Member

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    Obama's job bill will create millions of jobs and the Republicans know it, so it has little chance of passing, but at the same time it might be a blessing if it does not pass because the voters are watching that the fault lays on the house of representatives and they will be voted out on the next election. They are known as the party of no.:mrgreen:
     
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    The GOP can not pass anything in the senate Reid will block it
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    No Obama's bill will raise taxes and grow government and help unions. This bill will do nothing for the private sector
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    You need to understand, Octo, that the government is a net spender of wealth while business is a net creator of wealth (all the wealth actually.) So government jobs are irrelevant to financial growth in the economy. They don't help the economy because they don't create wealth. They hurt the economy because they spend wealth.

    Government spending can't help the economy because the money spent comes from the side of the economy that produces wealth. Taking it from them and then giving it back nets nothing. It nets less than nothing because there are expenses involved in those transfers of wealth.

    All your comments seem to say that government gets its money by picking it from trees and then beneficently gives it to the private sector. That money belonged to the private sector all along.

    The less government we have, the less drain we have on our national wealth. Government is necessary. A government like we have is not necessary.
     
  5. Octo

    Octo New Member

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    I agree that the private sector should be the major creator of jobs in this country, BUT! when our politicians agreed to go on a global economy and they started signing all these trade agreements THEN is when the problems started with the private sector. Instead of investing in this country, they could see cheap labor in those third world countries. There was no way that we could produce or manufacture goods and compete with those emerging countries on labor force. We had a high standard of living, while places like China and India poverty was there and would be willing to build or manufacture for a lot less. High tariffs that we had in this country were removed and the imports started coming from all over the world, but the United States could not sell their products because of our high standard of life here.

    The private sector has left to other countries because of cheap labor. Now I realize that government is there for a purpose and that is to see that big business does not get out of hand and keep them in compliance. The problem is that the Republicans have been bought out by big corporations and even some Democrats, but not as much as the Republican party. Government should intervene when they see that there is a problem with the private sector and it is not taxes as far as I am concerned. The problem is that our government relaxed its laws and allowed these companies to do as they pleased.

    I am all for free trade, but lets keep the trading field more even then what it is right now. This thing of us buying everything from China and they are not buying as much from us does not work. And it is not only China, it is all these countries that their currencies have been devalued so much that our politicians better wake up.

    The new agreement with South Korea could be good if they buy our products and them investing in this country to build their factories here and creating jobs. But if they just want to sell us their Kia's, but will not buy our automobiles, then I will say that it is a bad agreement signed by Obama.

    This problem in this country did not start a decade back. It actually started like three decades back. Other presidents have been signing all these agreements to try and help emerging countries from getting out of poverty, but it has backfired on us and now we are paying for it. I think it is just the tip of the iceberg.
     
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    NoSocialism.com New Member

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    Let's use the Scientific Method, since you guys LOVE talking about science.
    Let's look at the past when the economy has had it's biggest booms.
    1. Bush had a 52 month long expansion that happened after his tax plan went through (that effectively rolled back Clinton's tax hikes along with cutting taxes for the lower and middle class... to the point that 51% of the country no longer pays taxes).
    2. Clinton had a 39 month long expansion that happened after lowering the Capital Gains rate from 28% to 15%.
    3. Reagan's economy broke all but Harding's record with 93 months of MASSIVE job growth, reestablishing America as the world's preeminent super Power, after cutting taxes from a high of 75% down to a max of 28%.
    4. Camelot in America when Kennedy lowered tax rates and the subsequent economic boom lifted all boats.
    5. I'm not going to count WWII because it was a Military Boom that we hope won't be repeated. I mean let's face it there's no reason for us to build a "Destroyer a Day" anymore.
    6. Harding's cut in income taxes from 75% to 25% prompted the Biggest Boom of all, the Roaring 20's that lasted up until the stock market crash of '29. What should have been a momentary blip on the Radar was made incredibly worse, when the Progressive Big Government Republican Hoover raised the top rate back up to 65%, along with raising protectionist tariff's on all imported goods.
    What ended up being a slightly longer than usual recession in the rest of the world turned into the Great Depression at home. To top it off, by draining SO MUCH capital from the system, they in effect pushed an already troubled banking sector over the edge of collapse. As one small example, Nebraska had a bit over 700 bank failures within a year of Black Monday, yet within a year of Hoover's tax hike over 4000 banks in Nebraska failed. Sure a lot of this was due to the Dust Bowl effect, but DRAINING capital from the system didn't exactly help matters.

    So using past examples, it's easy to see how lowering tax rates helps the economy and increasing tax rates hurts the economy.
    It's pure science.

    In conclusion, the best "Jobs Bill" is to cut taxes and spending.
     
  7. Octo

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    Tax cuts will work IF they invest the savings in this country. But when the world went to a global economy you can throw that all out the window. Companies are not investing their profits in a nation that already had high standard of living, paying good wages and selling their products to emerging countries. Now the developing countries have become rich and have turned it around to where this country is the one without jobs and our Republican governors want to make their states Right to work law states where most of the salaries are minimum wages. Right there is where the problem is. We are taking a step backwards. If the people don't have jobs, they simply can't by the goods. Very simple math. Republicans have not come up with any solutions to creating jobs. The Bush tax cuts have been a complete failure. Other measures have to be taken. JMHO!
     
  8. Sir_Knight

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    Hey Jazzman!

    I like your choice of usernames!:chainsaw: (I couldn't find one Playing a BASS! Or Ax, as we call it! BTW, I have a Miles Davis collection dating back to 1952! I really miss him!!)

    They have passed at least 30 Bills, which may contain a lot of amendments, but who knows. From what I can tell, The House and Senate are so dysfunctional, it makes us all sick (Regardless of Party)!

    Harry Reid, refusing to reach across the aisle is baffling to me. I'm not just blaming him, but he has not lead the Senate any better than the President has lead the country. That Benghazi stuff is disgraceful! How can you fight an enemy with both hands bound behind your back, and no body is allowed to send you help!

    We have not won a war, since WW II! Bad Rules Of Engagement!

    Sorry for getting off subject, but some things must be said!

    Concerning any Job Bills, you can get answers by going to your Congressman's websites. I used plural, since you have more than one Representative in your state, and they will reply to your email. Heck, even go to other states, Representatives and Senators, but be straight to the point.

    I hope that i have helped.

    I also have started a New Thread about the United Nations "International Arms Treaty"! We can't allow what happened to England, Australia, and France happen here! The UN or any other country has no business telling us what our Laws should be!

    Let Freedom Ring, and God Bless America!

    Here is the Link about what I'm talking about

    http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/7175/gun-control/

    God Bless You and Yours,
     
  9. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    And.....in early 2011, the president's budget got sunk, 97-0. OUCH.

    In fairness, the Senate Dems also sunk the Republcans budget proposal, but a much closer vote of 40-57.

    Pretty much a "do nothing Senate." As the country suffers from lack of a budget, the Dems play politics.
     

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