Can God change His mind?

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  1. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    If a being were omniscient and eternal, he would be aware of all facts - including all events that had ever and would ever transpire. This, presumably, would include his own future actions and their outcomes.

    The only way an intelligent creature can change its mind is by obtaining new information that contradicts the view previously held. This would be an impossibility for "God" as traditionally defined in western religions, as there could be no new information.

    So why the difference between the Old Testament "eye for an eye" philosophy and the New Testament "turn the other cheek" philosophy?

    Opinions welcome (hoped for) from all sides.
     
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    if "It" changed its mind that would mean it didnt know it was going to change its mind.
     
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    Example: If god changes his mind and all stars in the whole universe would become blue stars because of this change - then everyone ever saw nothing else than only blue stars since stars are existing. Reality itselve and truth itselve would change - we could not know something about.

    Nevertheless god - our father - is not doing such things.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgIpFREIwJg
     
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    Exodus 32:14 "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people," -New American Standard Bible

    But this is a good example of how the christian religion changes things to fit their dogma. The King James version says...So the Lord repented from the harm he said he would do,,,and the NEW King James version says....So the Lord relented from the harm he said he would do

    But any way it's said, he changed his mind.
     
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    What mind? He cannot even speak for himself.....
     
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    Great find. I guess based on that he can't be all knowing. You can only change your mind if you didn't know something was going to happen ;)
     
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    So, either way,, "he" actually cant see the future.
     
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    Why would God change his mind?

    Wouldn't God already know He would need to change His mind before Changing his mind, therefore adopting a position that would not require such a change?

    Omnipotence... those (*)(*)(*)(*) shoe laces.
     
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    I suppose God can change his mind if he wants to. After all he's the God. Telling God he can't change his mind is like telling your boss that he can't change his mind. But I think it's more misrepresentation by zealots. Zealots have a long history of putting words in God's mouth. Why is it, that God always gets the blame for anything bad that happens, instead of the devil? God doesn't do bad, God is ALL good. Positive can't be negative, and negative can't be positive. Good isn't bad, and bad isn't good. Truth is truth, lies are lies. They are not interchangeable. God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, evil did. I don't think God sends anyone to hell. Only those that don't want to be with God go there. There in is free will.
     
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    Don't believers say that "god" created everything?
     
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    yeah...so?
     
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    I appreciate you 'stepping out on a limb' and addressing this question...
    Unfortunately, there are clear examples of God changing his mind in the Bible, not just in claims made be random zealots.
    To answer your question, I believe God gets the blame for anything bad that happens because he created the devil and (being omniscient) knew what this would do; this also contradicts the idea that God only does good and is all good.
     
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    according to some he has a split personality, the father, the son and the holy ghost
     
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    Times change? There is a time for "an eye for an eye" and a time for "turn the other cheek", for example.
     
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    The first post I made to this thread was this one. You must have skipped it.

    I never made this post, taikoo did. Half truths are a lie because they aren't true.
     
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    So things like good/evil and right/wrong are not absolutes? Then how is God pure Good? In a different time, would he have been evil (or at least "less good") since the values of the era dictate what is right and wrong?
     
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    So, since God can change his mind, he must have made a less-than-perfect decision at some point, which means his initial understanding must have been incomplete... So, according to the Bible, God is not omniscient.

    Interesting.
     
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    I think we've been here before.
     
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    God is not beholden to human logic. God can contradict Himself and still remain logically consistent.

    The impossible is possible to God, but not to a simple, stupid human being.
     
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    But that doesn't make a lick of sense. If god is perfect, then there's no reason for him to change his mind. Ever. Any change would inherently move him from perfect to imperfect. It's a logical impossibility for god to be perfect AND be able to change his mind.

    - - - Updated - - -

    ...

    Ladies and gentlemen: the wild Maine Christian loon in its natural habitat. So riddle me this: you can't exactly use induction to prove god (what with him being supernatural and all), and logic is apparently something that doesn't apply... So... Um... How did you come to believe, again?
     
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    How do we know the zealots from the non zealots? Unless you have spoken to God all of his words are someone elses words put in his mouth.

    You are trying to find the answer to a problem with fabricated variables that are constantly being changed by those who don't like the answer.

    And aside from the zealots no one ever seems to like the answer.
     

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