Can the ex-president give himself a pardon?

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We can't move past it now that its part of history. The future generations will FOREVER know how a corrupt government tried to cheat, jail and assassinate a presidential candidate. Congrats to you people for making him way more legendary than he should be. You folks can take ALL the credit for it.
    Cheers!
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    An ex-president has no pardon power. Could he have an ability to pardon himself once in power? It is vomit-inducing to contemplate, but possible.
     
  3. StillBlue

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    Original post has a link. From the link a pardon is forgiveness of a crime.
    If I claim innocence and the state can prove no crime then there is nothing to pardon. However, like Nixon, if I accept a pardon it means that despite no trial I also must accept guilt or there is nothing to pardon.
    From Wikipedia
     
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    ~ "The writing of history is done by the victor" ... Usually.

    But, I have no doubt that tRaitor tRump will exceed the misdeeds of his last maladministration during the coming one. Which will remind people just why they voted him out; obfuscating any confusion about his crimes.

    President Biden should pardon tRaitor tRump for any federal crime he committed or may have committed so that, as a nation, we aren't bogged down with that, at least.
     
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  5. Bluesguy

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    The Presidents power to pardon or commute has no restriction or qualifications.
     
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    Completely wrong, except for the state bit. The president can pardon anyone he chooses for any reason he wants, and that person can be in any state within the judicial system including not even arrested.
     
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    because it is not.
     
  8. GrayMan

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    I think it would have to be upheld unless another president revoked the pardon. Leaving office doesn't in itself revoke all the Executive orders mad by the president and the administration and officials have to continue to follow existing laws, orders, etc until given new directive by another president. Having said that though, the constitution doesn't give a president powers to revoke pardons specifically. https://www.thisnation.com/government/learn/can-a-presidential-pardon-be-reversed/
     
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  9. Noone

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    Try copilot. There was a SC decision in the 19teens that found it does. But, since then the general consensus is it doesn't.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    A pardon or commutation is not an EO and cannot be revoked by later Presidents, once done it is done.
     
  11. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would say that is entering into a Constitutional grey zone.
     
  12. Curious Always

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    I don’t get the joke. Explain, please.
     
  13. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a plenary power under the Constitution. Where does the Constitution place any limit? EO's aren't even mentioned and Congress can pass legislation to void them and the SCOTUS can overturn them.
     
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  14. Hey Now

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    I would think, given this currently constituted SCOTUS, the answer is "yes".
     

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