Can we get over the fear of WWIII

1) doing what we(and the West) have already done in sanctions could have/might still start WWIII

2) Doing little/nothing more might still lead to WWIII

3) taking any direct action whether it’s a rock thrown at Russia, a no fly zone, or a full invasion could result in WWIII.


Conclusion: we don’t know what could or will result in WWIII. I don’t know. You don’t know. Nobody knows. So anyone claiming “such and such will cause WWIII” is talking out of their butt. I’ll tell you this much though, There’s a lot less chance of anyone joining Russia when it has proven to be as inept as it has in planning, executing, and adjusting. Perception over winning and losing sides matters. A lot.

Therefore: what we should do shouldn’t be predicated on our individual fears over something worse happening. If Russia keeps escalating its barbarism, we should be willing to escalate our involvement accordingly. At this point in time I think a no-fly zone is very reasonable and proportional and moral given the amount and severity of war crimes.

This should have been a red line drawn long before now and maybe Putin wouldnt have sunk so deep so fast. Instead he keeps getting green lights to keep doing it and do worse. Surprise? He is.

no fly zone over Ukrainian air space. It has come to that. It is reasonable and proportional to his crimes.

Red line #1: if he continues with atrocities, all Russian military assets are targets within Ukraine not just the planes.

Red line #2: if he targets Nato personnel then all Russian military assets involved in the war, including those within effective range of Ukraines borders, are targets, and an ultimatum handed to Putin requiring full ceasefire and removal of troops, abdication of crimea and the separatist regions, and full reparations to rebuild Ukraine.

He rejects the ultimatum and he better be made aware it’s full conventional war on every front we can bring it with nothing less than Russias surrender and effective dismantling as the worlds largest country, including Putin to be tried for war crimes. Assuming he doesn’t shoot himself first.

 

WWW3 Ain't Gonna Happen...
So?
Why would anybody FEAR It?

 

Get over the fear with Biden in office? Hahaha!

 

Tip, have you ever seen a person get very upset or angry in real life - face to face?

 

1. We now know that USSR doctrine during the cold war called for using tactical nuclear weapons from the get go. Russia is believed to have 2000 tactical nuclear weapons that can be delivered with the same missiles being used in the Ukraine.

2. We now know that the USSR placed tactical nuclear weapons under the control of Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis.

3. Russia has thousands of nuclear warheads to be delivered as strategic weapons.

4. Putin may have a mental health issue or a terminal illness.

Perhaps you could present your analysis describing why Russia would never use nuclear weapons, i.e., "ain't gonna happen."

 

Thats fairly easy.

1. The bulk of Russia's ICBMs are liquid fueled. They take around 60 minutes to fuel and they have to be fueled outside their silos because they use cryogenic fuels. Which are easy to see and makes them vulnerable.
2. They also have about 70 Solid rocket fueled ICBMs with 18 on mobile launchers. The last one they tested was in 1998 and 3 of the 6 exploded. The farthest target they hit was 4000 miles. The US is 5500 miles
3. The US has 530 Minuteman III solid rocket fueled ICBMs that can be launched in 10 minutes
4. Any attempt by Russia to fuel an ICBM would bring on an immediate response. Even our subs with non nuclear cruise missiles could take them out with a 5 minute response time.
5. Russia does not have a first strike capability (also known as preemptive nuclear strike) meaning they don't have the ability to attack the US nuclear arsenal that prevents retaliation against them.

Their entire nuclear force is just a deterrent, not first strike capable.

 

Your analysis is based on fear and that basis alone makes it an emotional one, not a calculated one

 

Anyone who is not afraid of war can’t be trusted.

 

“The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself”

~FDR~

 

if Trump wins in 2024, it could just happen

 

Tell that to the people at Hiroshima.

 

I think Trump would have handled this better. I’m fact I don’t think it would have happened at all. And I’m not even a Trump flag waver

 

Putin is more likely to use tactical nukes on Ukraine if they believe they are losing the war, not NATO or the US. Will NATO respond in kind if this does happen?

 

No one had nukes when he said it.

 

He would have sided with Putin.

 

Expanding NATO to Russia's border may have already started WW3. We broke our promise not to expand NATO one inch when Gorbachev agreed to uniting Germany. While the US continued to threaten Russia with NATO we were hoping Russia would trust us and become partners in trade. What a constructive foreign policy. This decision was made by a former CIA operative and Director President Herbert W Bush. He was the wrong person at the right time when there was a glimmer of hope to have peace with Russia.

 

The stingers and anti-tank weapons were provided to Ukraine by Trump. What exactly did Obama provide Ukraine in 2014 when Russia first attacked Ukraine? What sanctions did he use against Russia that did any real harm?

 

Not true.

At that time, the USSR still existed and since its fall, the geopolitical stakes have completely changed.

NATO does not force any state to become a member. And all those who have been integrated have done so for the same reason: the Russian threat.

 

Trump tried to blackmail Zelensky by withholding military aid to get a fake investigation of Biden.

Obama's sanctions have led Russia into a recession.

It would have been totally irresponsible to start an armed conflict over Crimea considering the size of the issue and the fact that Putin has clearly stipulated that he will not go any further.

 

Can we get over the fear of WWIII

Apparently Americans need hysteria. The hysteria surrounding covid is declining so this could be just an extension of that.

 

probably not, Putin would have let Trump take down America a few more notches for another 4 years

 

And apparently COVID….

 

That's what lots and lots and lots of people said before the outbreak of WWII after the experience of WWI. How'd that work out?

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm

 

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, the current clueless IDIOT occupying the White House has us closer to WW3 than we've been in the last 60 years and the only thing occupying your Brain is Trump. Trump's been out of office for 15 months and it's been a **** Show ever since of bungling ineptitude, by Sleepy Joe.