Should there be a process for cancelling U.S. citizenship for naturalized citizens who are enemies of the U.S.? Should be remove their citizenship and invite them to return to their previous country?
Borders are meaningless these days. If you only knew how many illegal immigrants there are in the entire world, you would probably freak. We need to drop the labels. Does a marriage certificate reflect love? Does a piece of paper mean anything. The bottom line is, who cares? Don't mean to be rude. I just don't see the point....
Yes, I agree completely. The action of Obama assassinating two US citizens (no matter how horrible they were) is truly shameful, undemocratic, and smells heavily of a dictator. There should be a legal process to remove citizenship from people who have clearly become enemy combatants. There should be a judge, jury, and public trial to decide if such an action is required. None of this smoke-filled backroom decisions where the dictator decides who lives and who dies.
If you want to do away with citizenship, you must create a one world government. Otherwise you will have masses of people moving from poor nations to live off the backs of those in a more prosperous nations. Those sorts of population shifts are unsustainable and damage both the gaining AND losing nation. We have this sort of population shift now with lax immigration control in Europe, America, Canada, Japan, and Australia. The resulting economic, environmental, and cultural damage caused is slowly eroding the stability and sustainability of the first world.
I saw this TV program about how many decades of hard work and tons of money ($10000++) it takes for LEGAL immigrants to become citizens. It is deeply steeped in ignorance when suggesting to take their citizenships away from them. Naturalized American citizens actually contribute a lot more to the US economy than born citizens, because an economic independence is a requirement of legal immigration. Taking away their citizenships is the same as telling the world on all bill boards that the US is an unreliable country and everyone should go to the US illegally from now on. Let's not forget that most of the time, the "enemy of the state" is whoever the narrow circle of power wants it to be. They may decide that you are an enemy too. There is no need for the US to join the ranks of totalitarian powers such as the Soviet Union with such legislations. If a naturalized US citizen commits treason, they should get the same gallow as the born citizen for it.
Like John Demanjuk? He lost his US citizenship because it was determined that he obtained it fraudulently.
Revoking citizenship also smells of dictator, unless the citizenship was acquired fraudulently. A simple notice to the world court that so-and-so has been declared an enemy combatant and been given an opportunity to submit himself to our due process should be sufficient to send in the drones.
No. That's just a REALLY bad idea. It's starts of with true enemies of America but would end up being used to deprive others. Sets a really bad precedent.
I'm trying to figure out the difference between a foreigner who wants to kill Americans and an American who wants to kill Americans. And my suggestion doesn't take away anybody's citizenship or deny him due process.
No, I wouldn't freak. But, revoking citizenship isn't meaningless. People could be deported, they could be denied free housing, free healthcare, free food, free cash for drugs. They could be denied the right to vote unless the Democrats are successful in getting foreigners the vote. I am a U.S. citizen and choose to live in Mexico so I am aware we live in a world. But, if I break the law or act against the interests of Mexcio I can be tossed out. And, I realize that those on the left support all enemies of the U.S. so those responses certainly aren't a surprise.
Unless they have another citizenship, from what I know it is illegal to make someone citizenless by international law. Even they have another citizenship I think it is very difficult and I haven't heard of anyone from any country had his citizenship revoked. What does the constitution say about this?
There is no law prohibiting stateless people. In fact the US State Department warns people about becoming stateless after the renunciation of US citizenship: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html The only restriction is that you can't renounce your citizenship in the US or a US possession. You must do it in person in a foreign country at a US embassy/consulate. Another interesting fact is that renunciation of US citizenship has skyrocketed over the last few years. I wonder if this is due to Obama's policies:
The process already exists. http://immigration.lawyers.com/citizenship/Denaturalization-Revoking-Your-US-Citizenship.html Amazing the information one can find using a search engine.
Interesting but, it doesn't specifically state one can be denaturalized by being an enemy combatant however, I would think that treason would be an option.
Proof positive actions that attempt to do harm to nation as a whole should result in loss of citizenship. Like terrorism and other such nastiness. Although I like the Drone method=)
I have no idea. Assume there is only one. Should we be able to send him packing? The law on treason is quite restrictive. "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." So, would being a shill for Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro qualify? How about funneling money from the Chinese to the Democrats? The Chinese aren't, right now, at war with the U.S. and I doubt they would legally qualify as enemies. If a naturalized citizen is sending money to a group in Yemen that espouse violence against the U.S. Should we be able to revoke his citizenship and send him home?
As someone else mentioned- there is a process and naturalized American citizens have lost their citizenship. I am a U.S. citizen and choose to live in Mexico so I am aware we live in a world. But, if I break the law or act against the interests of Mexcio I can be tossed out. As can any non-American citizen be tossed out of the United States if they break American laws. Truly idiotic statements, and I can only think that since you don't live in the United States anymore you just don't know any better. As an example- who was the Commander in Chief who approved Bin Ladin - our number one enemy in the world- being successfully terminated? Who supported the Libyan people in removing Khaddafy from power? I don't support any enemies of the United States, nor will I assume that you do, just because I may disagree with you politically. And more to the point- I support the rule of law in the United States. There are laws that have a process to remove the citizenship of those who naturalized citizens who commit crimes or who lied to obtain citizenship. There are laws that provide for deportation of non-citizens who violate the law. I am completely in favor of these laws.
SFJEFF: "And more to the point- I support the rule of law in the United States. There are laws that have a process to remove the citizenship of those who naturalized citizens who commit crimes or who lied to obtain citizenship. There are laws that provide for deportation of non-citizens who violate the law. I am completely in favor of these laws." A rule of law that approves of political assassinations. I'm proud of you. I have not found a law that says, for example, naturalized U.S. citizens who send money to groups in Yemen supporting terrorism can be stripped of citizenship and sent to their home country? And, laws that provide for the deportation of non-citizens is great if it's consistently enforced.
Why would a naturalized US citizen get his citizenship cancelled but a born US citizen woudn't? Isn't this a second class citizenship then? And why should a US born citizen get away with crimes that a naturalized citizen shouldn't? Also, why should a US born citizen get a different punishment for the same crime than a naturalized ctizen? Isn't the definition of justice that like crimes get like punishments?
