Carnage on Gaza border as Palestinians shot dead by Israeli

You seem awful impressed with unproven weapons. I am not. I am not impressed with Russian equipment and even less so with Iranian equipment.

We have observed how Russian equipment fares against American Weapons in several Israeli conflicts and the Gulf Wars. Russia still thinks numbers will win wars. 300,000 Iranians died in the Iran Iraq War. The US defeated Iraq in 100 hours. Iran wants no part of Israel. They would be slaughtered.

 

Did Germany deserve Nazi rule?
Did Italians deserve fascist rule?

Palestinians deserve their self determination, not Zionist fascist dictatorship.

 

Algerians resorted to this type of guerrilla warfare to defeat the French imperialists in the 1950s/60. It was no more terroristic than were the actions of the Minuteman and other patriots during the Revolutionary war.

 

And they have it, the government they democratically elected. I hope they’re happy with each other

 

So be it. Then don’t ****ing cry me a river when Israelis refuse to bend over and grab the ankles, and defend themselves. I have news for you, lad - no matter how many Molotov kites will Palestinians fly for peace, or how many knives they’ll stick into Israeli backs, Israel is going nowhere. Actually, Israeli defence has never been better. Israel will survive and prosper.

There.

 

They don't have their own country which is what they deserve.

Fascists rule.

 

I have news for you - if Palestinians gonna keep flying Molotov kites, stabbing Israelis in the backs, digging peace tunnels, they won’t have it, period. Israel is not gonna bend over, grab the ankles and submit to terrorists demands and give’m a State. No siree.

Oh... and Golda Meir once said, “in this conflict, we have an advantage over Arabs - we have nowhere to go”

 

Yeah but it's ok for the Israeli fascist government to commit genocide.
Ohhh yeahhhhhhh.

 

Only Arabs commit genocide on Other Arabs.
Go visit your friends in Ramallah and Nables .. Watch how the restaurants and clubs are packed and everyone is eating Baklawa.
Moanings .. Yallaa

 

Israeli government = fascist.

 

Hamas terrorists use women, children as human shields;

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5268745,00.html

A senior official at Turkish Airlines' Israeli office 30 years ago publishes open letter to Erdoğan inviting him to visit Israeli Arab cities and 'discover who true terrorists are'; like Kurdish insurgents, Öcal says Hamas terrorists use women, children as human shields; 'Jews never betrayed Turkey, but Palestinians have.'

 

Israeli fascists use Palestinian children as human shields:

UN: Palestinian Children Tortured, Used as Human Shields by Israel
New UN human rights agency report claims Israeli forces arbitrarily arrest Palestinian children in Gaza and West Bank, subject them to degrading treatment, exploit them to scope out potentially dangerous buildings and use them as shields to deter stone throwers.


https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-israel-tortured-palestinian-children-1.5283333

 

While Israelis busy understanding ALS and helping cure the planet, the Gazans are busy inventing new ways to harm Israelis.
When will the Gazan take the red pill and free themselfs from their grandour delusions of destroying Israel and face reality?
I suppose it will take them another generation to break free of the Matrix they live in.

 

same old same old but as always the people who are harmed are Palestinians, their old, their children, their disabled, their press, their young and anyone I left out. In Israeli's last killing spree, she has killed and maimed around 7,000 Palestinians. While she was doing this one Israeli suffered a slight injury.

This she has been doing while living on land which she got through Colonialism and committing crimes against humanity against the indigenous population.

Now she is intent on Al Aqsa and getting the Palestinians she has not cleansed out of Jerusalem, then of course the rest of the West Bank and Gaza and all because Israel extremists and American Christian Zionists believe that is what their god wants. What atrocities people commit in the name of God.

Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro believes that the point of Zionism was not to escape antisemitism but to escape Judaism and become the same as antisemites - got a feeling they may have managed that.

 

Some collateral damage? 6-7000 Palestinian civilians killed or maimed no Israelis killed and only one having even a small injury and you call the killing and maiming of children, the disabled, the press and other mainly young Palestinians in their own territory as 'collateral damage'. I think people should be keeping a watch on you.

I believe Israel killed 20 or 21 active Hamas military but these were not people on the march. This has already been dealt with in this thread.

Of the 112-120 people Israel killed during the weeks of the March to date around 40 of them had some vaig relationship to Hamas, they may have been family members or at one time been an activist. However they were unarmed and marching as Gazans with the other 70 or 80 unarmed civilians killed. This has been dealt with already.

The March itself was not an idea of Hamas which has already been dealt with at least once. At first Hamas turned the idea down. The idea was grass roots being to march peacefully to the fence and through it and claim their legal right to their home that their parents of grand parents were ethnically cleansed from in 48 - a home by law they still have a right to return to. Israel however does not do non violent and so had already arranged to kill people before this began - they told their soldiers there would be casualties which began even before the march. They had 100 snipers waiting to pick them off and other army nearby. Israel doesn't do peaceful.

Now had Israel gone by its International Obligations and allowed a peaceful march what might have happened? The world might have seen a peaceful march and Israel's spin might go down the drain so Israel murdered and maimed 6-7000 Palestinians including children, disabled, the Press and other youngsters - most of the shot were young and you show the fascistness of your thought by calling this targeted mass murder and mass maiming, 'collateral damage'. Shame on you.

 

Oh I know his opinion. I also know the opinion of a very old Israeli who fought for Israel to come into being and who was for some time a member of the Knesset. You will find it differs considerably from Clinton. Go to the page and click to watch.
http://uriavnery.com/en/hatur.html

Given that you found nothing else to refute in post 1391

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ead-by-israeli.532663/page-70#post-1069106483

I am guessing we will now be on the same page

 

With respect to the Israeli violence against civilians on this protest, the EU has been complaining. This has resulted in an Israeli minister losing it.

http://english.pnn.ps/2018/05/23/israeli-minister-eu-can-go-to-hell/

 

There is no solution short of pushing Jews into the sea that will make the Palestinians or their liberal patrons in America and elsewhere happy

 

Absolutely! They have every right to vote in who you want, BUT when you vote in TERRORISTS to lead you, then you get what you deserve don't you? You must live with the consequences of your actions. What are they doing to better the lives of their people? They live on hatred.

 

WOW! Just WOW! The Palestinians are led by terrorists. They were duly elected, so that means that the Palestinians are terrorists.

 

****ing GENOCIDE? Do you even know what's the word mean? Don't think so. However, here's an interesting table:



96 deaths in 2017 allegedly caused by Israel in Gaza can hardly be called genocide. You'll agree with that.

Oh... and the last column is number of hits in Google... as you can see, 96 Gaza deaths generate disproportionately larger interest than any other conflict. Wonder why?

 

In case you didn't know it, the genocide did not begin overnight as it started with the emergence of the zionist movement. That goes back for many decades. How do those numbers look like, now?

 

the terrorist government is in the Knesset

 

50,000 deaths or so on both sides over the 70 years... GENOCIDE?

Do not have the time now to look at, and compare numbers with other conflicts, but I will if you insist. Syria with 1,000,000 dead comes to mind. Want other examples?

 

I thank everyone who replied to my question, "Is terrorism always wrong?"

I believe the answer is: it depends. If it benefits your people, then it's all right, although the publicity may make it not worth it. If not, not.

So to Palestinians, blowing up a bus with Israelis on it is fine, because it's part of getting Palestine back.
For (Jewish) Israelis, blowing up a hotel where the British administration of Palestine was located, killing nearly a hundred people, was fine, because it helped them get Palestine.

There will be differences. Jews have a higher cultural level than Arabs, and the deepest sense of guilt and morality of all peoples, and so they will influenced, a bit, by civilized norms. They'll phone in a warning, or think they should, before they blow up that hotel. And some of them will condemn the act outright.

But basically, when you're fighting for your tribe, anything goes. Lieutenant Calley got a slap on the wrist for directing mass murder of unarmed civilians in Vietnam, recent Israeli soldiers who killed Palestinians in cold blood, the same. But at least their wrists were slapped, which shows that the human race, or some of it, is very slowly improving. Very slowly.

As for the Palestinians ... it's really not a question of whether terrorism is wrong -- we all know it's only 'wrong' when the other guy does it -- but whether it's effective.

After all, they're in conflict with the Jews -- the most morals-ridden people on earth. (And I'm not being ironic here.) No other people in such a struggle would have such a large number of dissidents within their own ranks -- including in Israel. (The fiercest critics of Zionism I know are mainly Jews.)

If the Palestinians had abjured terrorism, and had appealed to the Jewish conscience ... if they had followed the Gandhi method .... they would have received a deal far better than any other displaced people has ever received.

But if you're only concerned with 'justice' ... that's always been in short supply. Ask the American Indians, who are the exact equivalent of the Palestinians, except in relative numbers compared to the people who now occupy their land. (If you support BDS, surely the USA should be included with Israel? Along with Burma, China, India, Russia, to name just a few Occupiers of other people's lands.)

One other point: there is no such thing as 'Israelis' or 'Palestinians', in the sense of a monolithic unchanging and unchangeable block of opinion. There are contradictory currents among both peoples, and people change over time. Plus, people say things that they aren't really committed to in practice. If you're in conflict with another people, you'll try to find ways to encourage those among your enemies who are less implacable, more open to a compromise. We've seen enormous changes in popular attitudes over time, and the Israelis and Palestinians are no exception.