CDC admits to vast over count of deaths

Someone failed to read their own link, otherwise they would know better than to spout this vapid nonsense. Excess death totals clearly show that we are UNDERcounting COVID deaths. UNDER. Not OVER.

 

Take back the accusation that governors like Cuomo put covid patients in nursing homes for the purpose of infecting everyone. That's just slander.

What happened was that these governors tried to have as many beds open to treat covid patients as possible, in order to prevent overwhelming the system. Was it a mistake? In retrospect, yes. But it wasn't done to purposely kill people, as your slanderous post indicates.

Of course, we all know why righties like to scream "but Cuomo". Anything that deflects form the failures of their own hero.

 

21 million is the number of positive cases not the number of deaths.

 

No evidence for that at all. Average length of time before death in a long term care facility is about six months. So no you cannot claim they'd still be alive today if not for covid. Not accurately at any rate.

 

In order to determine whether or not most of these people would still be alive if not for COVID, we'd need to look at excess death counts. We have. There's no debating at this point that COVID has resulted in excess deaths -- at least 180,000 people or so who wouldn't have otherwise died this year.

 

Nor can you claim they wouldn't be. Unless you can prove that the person would have died on the same day that they did with or without Covid, then it is accurate to say they died of Covid.

 

How do we explain the excess deaths if COVID is being overcounted? Are those death certificates fake?

 

You can't, that's something I pointed out earlier in the thread.

The Cult is all BS all the time.

 

I don't think I have to go into detail about how a gunshot wound is very different from dying from the coronavirus.

Let's be clear: To die from the coronavirus means that the disease had a substantial and consequential part in the patient's life or death status.

Someone dying of a heat stroke who happens to have Covid-19 doesn't count.

 

The count that the CDC has provided is of cases where coronavirus was likely a substantial and consequential part of the patient's life or death status. Even then, they've found they are likely undercounting. The numbers being discussed here have nothing to do with "Someone dying of a heat stroke who happens to have Covid-19."

 

Now you’re claiming that most of those 190,000 were in nursing homes? Another bullshit claim

 

Knew you would take that out of context.....

 

You have no way of knowing that..... Screaming does not make something factua.

 

Yes and a whole "linked" 100 cases.. Oh ****ing no....

 

"Are you saying that that the 94% would have died anyway even if the coronavirus didn't exist"

I was replying to this nonsense and of course you just bring more to the table.....

 

Its CDC information... Not Alex Jones or whatever you want to rant about.. SIX PERCENT died soley of Covid that is straight from the CDC... Yell all you want.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities


So scream or stomp your feet.. insult... cry.. i dont care it changes nothing.

 

Uh what about the BLM protests again...be consistent please.

 

What exactly does this chart change from what we knew months ago? People who have underlying conditions are more likely to die from COVID. This is nothing new.

 

The conclusion that COVID is 96% less fatal, that all those other deaths were just falsely attributed, that's the assertion that conspiracy theory website made, that's the fake news. People stand on raw data all the time and draw bad conclusions its nothing new. Doesn't mean they're legitimized for doing so.

Here I'll give you a great example. I can take valid figures on gun purchases from the NRA, from the ATF, from any reputable places you like, and then use it to say "hey look, more gun purchases means more gun deaths". Now is that in any way an honest statement? No its not, but hey I'm standing on legitimate data so I can dig in hard and say "blah blah blah the figures are this that and other thing blah blah blah look at the data blah blah blah the numbers the numbers" and if I just keep hammering away defending myself with the raw data that had nothing to do with my conclusion and I end up with a nice deep hole in the sand that I can bury my head -and the heads of my readers- in. That's whats happening here and it ain't a new trick.

Will you just please look at the background of that website. You'll easily discover its a full blown tin-foil-out outfit with a fancy name. Then take a look around and see that no respectable outlet came to the same conclusion as this one did and ask yourself this: am I agreeing with this because I want it to be true. This is 100% fake news. It just is man.

 

I Am just looking at the data.. Its kinda what i do for a living. I dont care what a website said about it so i dont know why you keep ranting in that direction....

 

And most of the rest died from COVID as the underlying cause. COVID lead to heart problems, which lead to death. COVID lead to lung problems, which lead to death. Etc. The fact that heart problems and lung problems were listed on those death certificates does not change the fact that COVID was the underlying cause. I've quoted the people who produced this data outright calling this whole "Only 6% died from COVID" lie fake news.

 

Actually, that's exactly what we know, at least prevailingly. It doesn't require screaming. It just requires a willingness to look at the excess death studies.

 

Oh ok now I see where the disconnect is. I just assumed this was all based on the lies that conspiracy theory website was telling about the raw data. Well anyways this simplifies the matter greatly because comorbidities are a part of disease and in COVID's case all of these things are downstream effects of COVID -aka- people still died from COVID. So there you go, there are not 94% fewer deaths the disease is still just as deadly now as it was last week.

 

I see that as confirming what I said.

There are reasons for taking risks. It may be social. It may come from desperation.

I see absolutely NO justification for taking the pointless risks of ignoring medical science that many insist on taking today - risks that are costing American lives.

 

What you do for a living, does it differentiate between mechanism of death and cause of death?

If someone gets in a wreck that ruptures an old surgery killing them, do you feel the wreck is to blame or the existing condition?

Cancer never kills anyone if that is the case, it is caused by malnutrition, dehydration, asphyxiation or a ton of other items. Often times exacerbated by underlying medical conditions. Does that mean cancer is no longer the real issue?