Children in Detention - Illegal Immigration

In ecology, do you know what is the best way to ensure biodiversity? It is to have many niches where different kinds of life can take hold, undisturbed. Wait long enough and you may even get speciation, and a new species being born. An ecological region with many natural barriers and separated living spaces is usualy more biodiverse (and more resilient!) than the opposite.

For humans, these different niches are nation states. They are almost like different sub-species of humanity, and while some of them will fail or struggle, those most fit will survive and prosper, and that is the evolution pushing humanity forward (mostly social evolution in this case). With globalization, diversity may sometimes increase locally, for some time, but it will inevitably decrease globally in the long term. And it is this global diversity, not the fact that you have a kebab shop in your town, that is the most important and beneficial for the long term future of humanity and our adaptability.

Muslims and Africans. Our own extreme conservatives are problematic too, but you cannot keep those out of our countries, can you. Also, our own extreme conservatives, while a problem, are much less extreme and numerous on average, because of hundreds of years of secularisation and modernization western world went through. Your average muslim or african christian is the equivalent of a Westboro Baptist, or worse. They are mentally in middle ages (not everyone of course, but as a rule of thumb).

 

We've explained it numerous times, but all we've mentioned is food lol! No amount of putty will fill that crack! It's a corrosive structural deficiency the only thing these sad people see is difference! Difference is bad. Their real problems is that they aren't in control and that is what makes them feel uneasy. Ethno-centric idealed people feel insecure about their own relevance. Intelligent and mature people look beyond difference and see a celebration of life.

 

I have worked with a Muslim for years, met his family, nothing wrong there, very hearty people. Not as eager to jump on the bandwagon with western fashion, ok, but apart from that well mannered and hard working.

In another instance I've met an African guy, who turned out to be a professor for history, but had to flee his country in those darkish years of Tutsi/Hutu clashes. Again, well mannered and highly educated and in contrast to the Muslim guy, he loved wearing colorful clothing. Was there anything wrong with him? No, absolutely not.

I think it is dangerous to generalize different cultures. People might say you are a racist.....

Regards

 

Are you saying Australians don't have a positive manner? Better go home.

Are you saying Australians aren't good hearted? Better go home.

Yep, it is always interesting to talk to people from other countries. But you are contradicting yourself, being an immigrant you are in 'another country'!! You are saying that you find it exremely interesting to talk to people from any country except Australia. Why did you even come here then? Better go home.

Nah, I don't hate them. I just think their culture is incompatible with ours. They should stay in their Muslim countries where they will be happy.

Have you ever thought that people who travel are usually people who are active and within a normal weight range. Fat slobs don't tend to travel.

You are exaggerating again catts, there is plenty of knowledge right here in Australia, we are just as different from other countries as they are from us and there are plenty of differrent races and religions here too.

So if you dislike this place so much, go home.

 

But that is exactly what you have been doing to Australians.

 

That is exactly what do-gooders like catter cannot see or understand. It really is like talking to a brick- s.h.i.t house.

 

The truth is never cheap!

 

What a stupid comment!

You are right that I don't like the hoon culture we currently have, and many being proud of it.
You are right that I don't like the growing racism in our nation (apparently a world wide trend that is, unfortunately), and you being one of them.
You are right that I don't like stopping the boats and not doing our duty, to care for war refugees.
You are right that our Aussie shrine (bbq) isn't all to me anymore, I stepped outside the box.....
You are right that I don't embrace domestic violence, again on its way up.
You are right that I don't stand behind decision, to go to war when others tell us to - Iraq for example!!!
You are right that I don't like the fights outside our pubs, plain disgusting.
You are right that I don't like the one punch attacks on people, which happen far too often.

Obviously you don't like my outspokenness, and you call me unaustralian!

Sorry mate, but you should consider leaving this forum, because if you can't stand other peoples opinion, maybe kindergarden would suit you best...

I think you are comments are increasingly low, and I believe you owe me an apology.

Regards

 

And please expalin HOW that Muslim you have worked with for years enriched and enhanced Australia? You have met an African professor of history - big bloody deal. But have you met and spoken with any of the other Africans hidding out in the ghetto's of Australia, who ARE NOT educated professors?

 

You and AM are twins, right?

 

And if I would have spoken to all Africans, you wouldn't accept it, as you racists just can't and won't accept anything others say..............

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How arrogant you turn out to be...............

 

You are bloody hypocrite catter.

1) Australian culture doesn’t just consist of “hoons”, but you have managed to be biased and stereotyped the whole of Australian culture based on a few individuals. The same biased and self-righteous attitude you condemn others for.

2) You don’t like the growing racism in the Australian Nation. But you ONLY seem to accuse white Christian Australians of racist behaviour when they want to protect and save “their” own culture and identities. When the Aboriginal people, or other foreign people act in racist way to protect “their” cultural identity, you believe that is acceptable behaviour. You are a bloody hypocrite.

3) you don’t like stopping the boats, but refuse to acknowledge that the people arriving on those boats are nothing more than financial opportunistic “country shoppers”. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be living in Indonesia for years, and paying Indonesian smugglers $10,000 to be smuggled into Australia through the backdoor.

4) The “Aussie” barbeque is not a “shrine” but it is a unique part of the Australia culture. It represents something more within the “Social Construction” of Australian society than just bloody food that the other so-called migrants bring to Australia.

5) Domestic violence happens within all aspects of our community and across all genders, but we are currently being told that “domestic violence” just occurs against women, which is a complete load of bull-s.h.I.t. Only a mentally challenged fool would believe this propaganda, being sprouted out by the lesbian feminist movement.

6) I agree on the war issue.

7) Simple solution to pub fights and alcohol abuse. Stop serving people alcohol 24 hours a day. People will find other things to do that don’t involve hurting others.

Again, stop the 24 hour alcohol cycle, and we will stop the violence.

 

Is it really my fault that you are crusading for something based on false logic?

I'm not going to accept your flawed logic or your blame, because you want to appear being correct to justify your own guilty conscience.

 

I stand by my assertion that your statement, "I think it is dangerous to generalize different cultures. People might say you are a racist" is hypocritical because you have been generalsing Australian culture. Just look at your stupid comments above, that's not Australian culture. You are basing your opinions on a tiny minority of dickheads which you will find in any culture. And please get it into your head, government policy is not culture. Mate, it appears you are the one who cannot stand other peoples opinions.

 

Wrong again,
I pointed some issues out I don't like, get it?
If all of us Aussies would be like you, I would have shot myself a long time ago.
There are many people making my life a beautiful one, and increasingly those people are from overseas.
You don't belong to those group of people....
Regards

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Cd,
at least we agree on 6 and 7.
On 5 you are pointing the finger towards lesbian feminists, oh my God? Are you for real?

And why is everyone lying about our hoon culture?

Anyway, regards

 

Ah......now we are getting somewhere! Now just turn that around now and maybe you will see how silly you look. Stereotyping that is.....gee I get a laugh out of the stupidity of some!

 

Making an opinion about an entire culture just because you have met several people means relying on anecdotal evidence and is just as stupid as unfair generalization, if not more so. Your average member of muslim or african culture is the equivalent of a Westboro baptist church or worse, with lots of negative social traits, and the existence of a minority of professors or other normal, culturaly profoundly westernized people among them does not change that fact. However let me tell you, if the immigration from muslim or african lands was limited only to highly educated experts and professors, or otherwise attempt to limit the influx of those with extremely backwards or problematic views and traits, I would be much less concerned about it. But it is not, and thats the point.

Also, just because someone is "well mannered" doesnt mean they dont have crazy backwards views. Islamic extremists are some of the kindest people around, precisely because their religion tells them to treat others well, and they do take it seriously. Except when you are an apostate, homosexual, adulterer etc, of course. Then you should be stoned. But you wont get to know that in usual, everyday situations.

 

The point I was trying to make is that you will find bad as well as good, wherever you look.

I spent some time in the US (admittingly long ago), and let me tell you I wouldn't want to be part of many of their communities, not because those people are good or bad, but because the way their churches work. They way preaching is committed, the way you are expected to behave and to adopt. And they are also part of the Christian belief. And you think Muslims are brainwashed?

As far as I am concerned, we could get rid of all religions......

By the way, people should enjoy their lives, whether they are gay or not, who except for some here, cares?

Anyway, best regards

 

Frankly, if there were lots of very religious people from the deepest US south immigrating into my country, I would want it restricted in some way. They are often too conservative not to be a problem in our society. Thats not the case, tough. Also, compared to your average muslim or african christians, US conservatives are still very much progressive, lol.

However, my point is that there are different amounts of good and bad in different cultures. Some cultures are better, some are worse. Thats also diversity! It doesnt apply only to different foods. It also applies to things such as different, sometimes backwards views on human rights, diverse crime rate, colorful poverty etc, too! So multicultural!

As such, there is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to protect your country from being partially colonized by those you consider to be worse, with all the associated negative effects they bring.

It is possible to have a multiethnic society and a successful one. US is the example of that, (although they still have some problems with certain minorities often retaining some of their toxic cultural traits and refusing to assimilate into the melting pot).

But it is not possible to have a multicultural successful society. Because beyond a certain threshold of differences, cultures will begin to disagree on more fundamental issues and ways of life, not just what to eat for dinner, and that is a road to a profoundly dysfunctional society at best, civil war at worst. Such deep "cultural inequality" present in a society is as destructive as the economic one, if not worse.

 

Hmmm,
interesting....

And where do you set the threshold? What are your criteria? Muslim have to stay out in general? Africans (black I assume) as well?

I for example think that many religious people are holding on to pretty outdated values and ethics. Should we ban them all? Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and and and?

Any given society has its pros and cons, the good and the bads, where do you draw the line?

If I could, I would certainly ship some of my fellow countrymen back to where they once came from, not because they are white or Christian or else, but bloody because their thoughts have turned to evil.
Evil against those who differ in thoughts, evil not even helping others in need (refugees), evil against gays and Abos and Muslims and so on......

I would set the threshold in values, positive values towards the given spirit of the time, in a given society. If someone missuses his/her credit, send him/her back.....

Regards

 

Many of us in the western world can be seen as the kindest people around but there is a dark side to our mentality. You only have to look at how we enslaved people in all parts of the world from Africa to certain pacific island people's here in Australia and how we ignorantly overlook the circumstances we trapped them in, wondering how and why certain things happen in their communities. I'm not proud of some of our history as European descendants and I'm not proud of how we continue to exacerbate people's circumstances by overlooking what we did to these groups of people who live with challenging circumstances. We will not be able to do anything progressively for them until we get beyond our petty little jealousies regarding affirmative action.

 

Who else besides hard nosed lesbian feminists would keep trying to push the point in the media that domestic violence "ONLY" happens to women, when rational people know that domestic violence is genderless?

 

Have you driven around Lakemba & Canterbury lately? You won't see many white Christian "hoons" around there, but you will see plenty of Middle Eastern hoons.

Are you suggesting Middle Eastern youths are Hoons?

 

Seriously, do you know anything about history beyond a 4th grade level? Africans have a history of enslaving each other after conflicts, and history proves that Africans sold their own people into slavery for money. Now you are telling me its all the white mans fault for trapping them into certain circumstances, but NOT the fault of their own bloody people.

I'm sorry, but you need to do a TAFE history course of something to educate yourself, because you sound like you were home schooled.