CHINA heading to the Arctic

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  1. wombat

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    And the Democrats just stopped Trump's plans to develop the Arctic.

    The Chinese are several steps ahead of us. The left is our weak link.
     
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    China invested $90 billion into the arctic project already... I doubt they need Arctic Council membership, they are an investor. And I think China's involvement will be between Putin and Xi, doubt they are going to ask the US for permission, nor do I see the US just walking away from vvvv

    which explains the army boots footprints... they know it too

     
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    But it's not that bad. Trump spent all our money on a couple of aircraft carriers and a tax cut.
    Maybe sanctions on eskimos?
     
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    So you don't mind having the Chinese pass us economically, militarily, etc.

    Typical lib.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How, exactly, does one spend money on a tax cut?
     
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    I'm sick of the right blaming others for our problems. If they pass us it's our fault. They have 1/2 our GDP and spend only 1/3 as much on their military. Yet here they are kicking our A$$.
     
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    Where are you going to get all that money @scarlet witch quoted. The tooth fairy?
     
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    I'm sick of e very thread hijacked by the left or ghe right, Trump/Hillary arguements. Lets talk about Chinas movement to the arctic? After all , this is an international forum and the rest of us are fed up with political squabbling of US internal near civil war mentality.
     
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    Didn't Deblasio or somebody who wanted jobs for NYC have to explain that to AOC?:roflol:
     
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    Good idea.
    I don't see where the US has much of a case. Canada and Russia control most of these shipping lanes. Pompeo may want to argue how far out from the shelf Russia controls. Maybe that's his South China Sea argument.
    China is just jumping in bed with Russia for a shorter trade route.
    [​IMG]

    https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...t-could-change-the-face-of-world-trade-2013-8
     
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    That concept never crossed my mind. Most interesting
     
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    In 2010, the US Department of Defense's annual report to Congress on China's military strength estimated the actual 2009 Chinese military spending at US$150 billion.

    Military Spending in the United States. In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of $598.5 billion.
     
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    Military spending in the U.S. is just 16% of our total budget, including entitlements.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    You have the numbers right in front of you and you still try to obfuscate. Pathetic!

    We outspend the Chinese by 4:1.
     
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    That could be why they can do this:
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    While we do this:
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    Chinas military budget is only a guess. They do not release real numbers on that or much of anything else for that matter
     
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    A guess from twenty years ago? That's your best shot?
     
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    These actions are part of the Chinese plan for world domination. They knock off little chips on an annual basis. Their scuttling of the trade negotiations is another example of this. They are willing to accept some short term pain to get Trump out of office and welcome a Democrat who will do nothing to stop them.
     
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    Back on topic - kinda.
    China has decided to build some of these.
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    America’s lone heavy icebreaker, the Polar Star, has grown so old that it can hardly complete a voyage without needing repairs midway through. Meanwhile, Russia’s huge fleet of icebreakers includes the world’s only nuclear-powered ice vessels. This is troubling given that the Arctic could become among the most important diplomatic, economic, and militarily strategic regions of the world in the 21st century.
    https://thenewsrep.com/115712/china...nuclear-double-trouble-for-the-united-states/

    While we have decided to build some more of these.
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    But it's China's fault.
     
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    You don't have to get money you don't spend.
     
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    Oh wait. You just borrow it.
     
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    You don't have to borrow money you do not spend, either.
     
  24. ronv

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    Lots of oil too, I guess.

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    Russia has vast oil and gas reserves in the Arctic. In terms of technically recoverable energy, the region contains as much as 90 billion barrels of oil and 47 trillion cubic meters of natural gas of which the Russian zone has the largest share, 48 billion barrels of oil and 43 trillion cubic meters of gas respectively. It amounts to 14 percent of its oil and 40 percent of its gas reserves. Despite global warming, the harsh weather conditions in the Arctic region require specialized infrastructure to extract and transport the oil to consumers.

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russias-Next-Oil-Boom-Is-Happening-In-The-Arctic.html

    I think China is "buying" into this oil with financing.
     
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    I don't think you really want the Chinese model of state-corporate fusion.

    It has its upsides, no doubt, but consider the downsides.
     

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