China will unify World within 50 years

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  1. Melb_muser

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    Fair enough.
     
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    Look I would start with simple tasks. See if you can get some babies popping out. You have a demographic crisis. Maybe check with the central planning committee before you build twice as many buildings as you need.

    The Chinese are not mature enough for democracy. Instead of merely trying to imitate the West, I would look at making contact again with the ancient Chinese cultural traditions that you were so keen to destroy decades ago. You can do imitation West and well free well but where's the soul gone? You're living in a cultural vacuum tube.

    Further to that, I would stop ****ing about with the Philippines. This is not a good way to win the popularity contest.
     
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    Back in the 1950s, children’s science fiction shows about almost unlimited space travel, spoke of a system of “The United Worlds.” Cultures and values differ through out the world. I don’t want any part of the authoritarian Chinese system imposed on me. Ditto for the Russians, North Koreans and Iranians. We want no part of your tyranny.
     
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    China bans the messages they cannot control. That isn't unity. That's despotic. Why would the world want to live under that BS? Chinese folks don't want to live under that BS. Keep it to yourself.
     
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    I have give perfect advices in the part about population in my full text. You can look at it.

    China never destroyed and will never destroy its traditional cultures completely. But China should give up most of the ideas of backward Confucianism and keep most of the ideas of Taoism, give up communism but keep something of socialism, and accept liberalism and democracy.

    The most dangerous time between China and Philippines was last year. Philippines dare not and can not ask China to give up the islands in south China sea. Before China's navy has obvious advantage over US's navy, China won't force Philippines to give up the islands too. There will be clear results after 3~5 years.
     
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    I don't mean China is able to unify the world now. I mean China will accept liberalism and democracy sooner or later so as to unleah the potential and creativity of 1.4billion of Chinese people. Then China will surpass the US to lead and unify the world.
     
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    Fingers crossed!
     
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    China will unify World within 50 years

    Since the OP doesn't have any future prediction chops it would have been better to say "my opinion is......" This entire website is about opinions. Presenting them as facts only makes things worse.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Hard drives are obsolete.
     
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    Didn't you find the following words about predictions in the link of my full text?

    The process of world unification will include the following important nodes in sequence: China's democratic reformers, who are ready to go, will overthrow Xi Jinping in 2025 at the earliest and at the 21st National Congress of the Communist Party of China in 2027 at the latest, thereby gradually promoting China's liberal democratic reforms; After about 5 years, China will surpass the United States in terms of GDP and become the world's largest economy; After about 5 to 8 years, Taiwan will willingly submit to mainland China, allowing China to achieve national reunification; After about 10 years, China will surpass the United States in both hard and soft power so as to lead the world; After about 20 years, China's comprehensive national strength will surpass the sum of the United States and Europe, and other countries will begin to be incorporated into China's territory one by one in a peaceful, voluntary and negotiated manner; After about 40 to 50 years, China will peacefully unify the world unprecedentedly.
     
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    China also produces the most drones, solar panels, wind energy generators, electric cars, merchant ships, war ships and phones…… in the world.
    Within three years, China will produce the most chipsets in the world.
     
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    Perhaps you are a Russian. There are the following words about Ukraine war in my full text:

    The Ukrainian War is very similar to the Korean War more than 70 years ago, except that China and the former Soviet Union, now Russia, have swapped roles. In 1950, North Korea prepared to attack South Korea in order to unify the entire Korean Peninsula. In order to use China to restrain the West, the Soviet Union first acquiesced North Korea to attack South Korea, and then deliberately absent the UN Security Council meeting on the Korean Peninsula and acquiesced the UN forces to land in South Korea. North Korea, which was preemptive, made rapid progress, but was defeated by the United Nations forces led by the United States. Then, the arrogant US general MacArthur also attempted to occupy the entire Korean Peninsula, and the US military also invaded China's border areas and sent the Seventh Fleet to the Taiwan Strait. Then, China felt a huge threat and sent army into North Korea, and then thwarted the US military's attempt with the military assistance of the Soviet Union.

    Before the outbreak of the Ukrainian War, NATO continued to expand eastward and attempted to absorb Ukraine. Russia also felt a huge threat and Putin always wanted to restore the glory of the Soviet Union, so the Russians as fighting nations took the initiative to invade Ukraine. In the early days of the war, Russia attempted to quickly occupy the capital of Ukraine and then control the entire Ukraine. However, Russian intelligence officials leaked the war plan in advance, the United States helped Ukraine thwart the attacks of Russian hackers, and Ukraine resisted Russia tenaciously, so Russia's plan to quickly finish the war failed and the blitz turned into a protracted war.

    President Truman was afraid that the Korean War would turn into World War III, so he fired General MacArthur, who advocated attacking the Chinese mainland, and eventually ended the Korean War through peace talks with mutual concessions between the two sides. President Biden and European leaders were also afraid that the Ukrainian war would turn into World War III and a nuclear war, so they did not allow the sale of long-range missiles to Ukraine at first. China does not want Russia to lose too badly, nor does it want Russia to win too easily, so it never sold weapons to Russia directly but sold many components of weapons to Russia. Therefore, both Russia and Ukraine lacked advanced weapons, which led to the Ukrainian war often turning into tank warfare and street warfare like those during World War II. Biden suddenly allowed Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike Russia after the Democrats lost the presidential election. The furious Russia immediately launched hypersonic medium-range missiles towards Ukraine, greatly increasing the risk of world war and nuclear war.

    Putin once overestimated Russia's military strength, causing Russia to fall into the quagmire of war. At first, the leaders of Western countries were only watching the war but they later realized that Russia's military strength was just like this, so they gradually increased their support for Ukraine. But the West also underestimated China behind Russia, which led them to fall into the quagmire of war too. China, which has the most complete and largest industrial system in the world, not only continuously purchases Russian energy, but also continuously provides Russia with a large number of weapon parts. The Western world cannot defeat Russia through nuclear war, nor can it defeat Russia, which is supported by China, Iran, and North Korea, through conventional war. Moreover, Russia, which has paid a huge price, will never be willing to return empty-handed and will never withdraw its troops from Ukraine. Therefore, Trump hopes that the United States will withdraw from the Ukrainian war as soon as possible and that Russia and Ukraine will sign a peace agreement as soon as possible. In the end, Ukraine will be divided into two like the Korean Peninsula, except that the Korean Peninsula is almost divided equally, but Russia can only get about 20% of Ukraine's territory.

    In short, the lessons learned from the Korean War and the Ukrainian War are that the Eastern and Western camps have their own shortcomings in the past and present, and neither side has an absolute advantage over the other. Neither side is qualified and capable of occupying strategic buffer zones such as the Korean Peninsula and Ukraine alone. The Western camp is not omnipotent and without any fault, nor is the Eastern camp vulnerable and without any merit. As early as 2014, the famous strategist Kissinger gave a advice: If Ukraine wants to survive and develop, it should not be an outpost for one side to oppose the other - but a bridge connecting the two sides. In recent years, Ukraine not only wrote its accession to NATO into the constitution to offend Russia, but also forcibly nationalized the Ukrainian aero engine company controlled by Chinese companies to offend China. The Ukraine war has given a lesson to the Ukraine that was ignorant of the world situation.

    Similar buffer zones include Taiwan and the Israeli-Palestinian region. The war in Ukraine may be coming to an end, but we should avoid allowing Taiwan or the Palestinian-Israeli region to become the next Ukraine. The autocratic mainland China is not qualified to use force to regain democratic Taiwan and does not deserve to have Taiwan. However, the Taiwan issue is a legacy of the civil war between the Communist Party of China and the Chinese Kuomintang. Taiwan is not qualified to become a sovereign and independent country too, and should maintain the vague international status for the time being. Taiwan has actual sovereignty and the mainland has formal sovereignty of Taiwan, which reflects the balance of power between the Eastern and Western camps. If either side disrupts this balance in a hurry, it could trigger a war similar to the Ukrainian war. Neither Israel supported by the Western camp, nor Palestine supported by the Eastern camp, is qualified to occupy the entire Palestinian-Israeli region. The State of Palestine should be recognized by the whole world, and Israel and Palestine should sign a border agreement as soon as possible.

    Biden always provided military assistance to Ukraine because he stubbornly believed that Russia as an autocratic country will be defeated and Putin as an aggressor must be punished. Based on the comparison of the strength of the Eastern Bloc and Western Bloc, Trump probably realized that the power of the United States is limited and it is impossible to contain both Russia and China, the two most powerful opponents at the same time, so he decided to give up Ukraine. On the surface, Biden, who adheres to traditional principles, was right. In fact, Trump, who adheres to pragmatism, is right. "The winner is the king and the loser is the thief." The history in the textbooks was written always by the strong. And the right or the wrong was defined always by the strong. What's more, the Europeans' footprints of aggression in the past few hundred years were almost all over the world. Now that they are in decline, they like to advocate human rights, international law, and international rules in a hypocritical manner.

    Russia used its crude invasion to teach greedy NATO and ignorant Ukraine a lesson. NATO and Ukraine also used economic sanctions and military counterattacks to teach the warlike Russia a lesson. Russia has paid a huge price in the past three years. Even if Russia obtains more than 100,000 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory, it can only recover the cost of the war and make up for the cost of Western sanctions. Therefore, Russia, which wins a tragic victory, can not get any advantage at all. The country that really gets the advantage is China.

    The Soviet Union was once the biggest winner of the Korean War, and China is the biggest winner of the Ukrainian War. China successfully used Russia to contain the entire Western world without spending a single soldier. As long as the Ukrainian war does not stop, both the West and Russia have to spend huge resources to deal with each other, which is beneficial to China. More than three years of Ukrainian war have allowed China, which is weak internally, to win a relatively safe external environment and smoothly pass the difficult period of epidemic prevention and control and economic transformation. Moreover, a large number of Chinese industrial products have seized the vacancies left by Western countries after withdrawing from Russia, and a new energy pipeline between Russia and China has also been opened.

    The Ukrainian war has brought China and Russia closer, and China and Europe farer. It has brought the United States and Europe closer, and the United States and Russia farer. After the war ends, the relationship between China and Russia will deteriorate slightly, but Russia will still be highly dependent economically on China, an irreplaceable huge market and a huge industrial country. The relationship between China and Europe will improve slightly, and the relationship between the United States and Europe will deteriorate. The United States, which withdraws from Ukraine, may have more energy to deal with China. But the United States, which gives up Ukraine and provokes tariff wars everywhere, will seriously damage its relationship with its Western allies. The United States will lose Russia as an enemy and lose many allies, which is not worth the loss. The number of allies willing to follow the United States to contain China will greatly reduce. In general, the international environment that China will face in the future will not only not deteriorate because of Trump's new policy, but may even improve.
     
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    The US creates about 26% of the world's GDP with about 4% of the world's population, and has military bases all over the world. The potential and creativity of the US people have hit an insurmountable ceiling because they are not supermen like Spider-Man or Iron Man. The US is absolutely at the end of its hegemony. It is impossible for the US to create world miracles again and achieve "Make America Great Again" advocated by Trump.

    No matter how you evaluate the past and current China, the future of the world mainly depends on when and in what ways the potential and creativity of more than 1.4 billion Chinese people, which have been confined by the authoritarian rulers for a long time, will be freely released.
     
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    It is true that China does not yet have the conditions to implement the Western universal suffrage system, but China is fully equipped to implement elite democracy. Specifically, China can immediately implement fair elections among the more than 90 million Communist Party members, and then gradually extend the electoral system to large cities, medium-sized cities, small towns, and finally to the whole of China. The entire democratic reform process will take about five years.
     
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    You mention population as one of your metrics leading to China uniting the world in 50 years time. The following chart explains why it won't. (Pooh needs to start fathering more children asap! Because for the past 35 years or so China s birth rate has been below it's replacement rate and there are zero signs of that changing. So call us back when that happens why don't you! )

    For comparison the US birth rate is about 1.66, still below the replacement rate mind you but then people actually queue up to migrate to the US. China? They don't!

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    It will take more than ten years that Chinese population reduces from 1.4 billion to 1 billion. But it will take less than ten years that China surpasses the US to lead the world in both hard and soft power. Then not the declining US but the rising China will attract the most elites of the world.

    Moreover, China can implement the following ways to permanently solve the problem that more and more Chinese adults don't want to have children:

    (1) Adult women in the future will not be willing to endure great pain to bear children for free for society, so the government will have to reward all women who give birth. Moreover, the government will constantly adjust the amount of incentives for mothers according to the changing needs of the population, so as to avoid having too many or too few population. Moreover, in vitro fertilization and artificial wombs may replace the role of pregnant women altogether in the future.

    (2) Temporary heterosexual partners will give the children they produce to the government for upbringing and education, and they will be the biological parents of the children but no longer the sociological parents. All children will grow up without knowing who their parents are, they will no longer have any direct rights and obligations with their parents. Anyone's inheritance will be completely confiscated by the government, all elderly people will be left to fend for themselves, and population aging will no longer be a problem dragging down society.

    (3) All newborn babies with serious defects will be euthanized, so that limited resources are not wasted on babies with no potential. The anti-abortion law in the United States is a stupid law of false mercy.

    (4) The government will set up special institutions in every densely populated area and hire professional nannies and teachers to raise and educate the children. Working adults would be required to pay the child care tax but would no longer give any direct time or energy to the children and would be able to spend more time on their own work and play. In today's society, the list of grievances, rights and obligations between parents and children is a muddled mess. In the future, there will be no grudges and no direct rights and obligations between parents and children.
     
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    An interesting perspective thanks. and no I'm not Russian.
     
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    Now we have Chinese propagandists to add to the Russian ones. Great fun.
     
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    I'll just address the first point you made because the rest are either science fiction or imagined social engineering experiments that have no grounding in reality. The point I address? Governments all over the world including places like South Korea have for years tried providing financial and other incentives to encourage families to have children. So far without success. China is also currently offering similar incentives - and to date they've been a total failure! That's not to say they might not work in China or somewhere else in the future, just that they haven't, yet! Until they do? This claim of yours is questionable at best.

    BTW in your opening remarks you outright admit that China's population is going to nosedive over the next decade or so (your figures to 1.4 to 1.0 billion!). That's a fall of almost 30%!!! All the while completely ignoring the little question of how exactly falls on that scale are going to make things 'better' for China two generations later? How does that ?

    Finally if your going to debate on this forum please don't use imaginary events set 50 years from now to 'magic wand' away criticisms or countervailing arguments other posters use to dispute your claims. Use real evidence based on on current facts and/or highly likely near term projections. Everything else you posted above was on the level of 'in twenty years we'll all have flying cars' crystal ball gazing. You might as well be using bone-reading to put your answers together FGS!
     
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    I hope the they try something different then their attempt in 2019..
     
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    Have you heard of the old adage, "divide & conquer"?

    What you're describing is not a fate that humankind is forever destined to repeat, but the result of machinations & manipulation by private interests (ie, wealthy elites) that are put into positions of influence/power by a duped public.

    For millennia, the ruling elite have had at their disposal a most effective means of subjugating large populations - that is, keeping the people divided & making them unable to organize into adequate numbers to effectively remove their oppressors. In similar fashion, microbial colonies can be kept disorganized & thus prevented from dominating/altering a food substrate by periodic stirring. Along with this, the elites also keep people too dumbed down, too afraid, too busy, too broke & too tired (and even too sick or disabled) to want to bother with a sustained effort at overthrowing their rulers. Many just want to go home after a hard day of work, pop open a beer or indulge in drugs, and be entertained (distracted) by TV.

    The means by which citizens are divided & kept in a state of persistent conflict with one another is multi-pronged. People are kept divided through a combination of fear, propaganda & false hope as a means to manipulate the collective consciousness. Everything from religion & education, to economics & politics is targeted. Ultimately, fear is the greatest underlying element that keeps groups separated, and sectarian tensions simmering. In this way, the people become self-policing, leaving the ruling elite free to pursue multiple, more sophisticated nefarious plans & to play out slight-of-hand distractions without the constant threat of mass rebellion. Everything is turned upside-down. People are programmed to hate the good, and love the corrupted.

    The solution to this millennia-old, seemingly relentless cycle is simple. People need only acknowledge the truth that they are not obligated to follow a 'leader', and can end their reliance on them. This requires one to begin thinking for him/herself, to always question popular narratives, and, most important of all, to align oneself with thoughts, behavior & efforts at reform that promote peaceful unification & cooperation.

    By understanding they don't need a leader, king, or a 'messiah' to make decisions for them, the people can more easily spot the divisive language of hate & fear underlying the rhetoric of a dictator-wannabe (like that of Trump, Musk, et al.) who is not interested in the people's well-being, but in domination.

    The fundamental principle attributed to the teachings of the Persian Zoroaster/Zarathustra - "Good thoughts. Good words. Good deeds." - would be a wise, but simple starting point for all to strive to adhere to as much as possible, and to help re-train one's thinking.
     
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    It's important to understand that the value of a society does not lie in its size or ability to exert its control over distant populations & territories - but in its sustainability & the well-being of its citizens.

    Money-less indigenous/tribal cultures didn't last for tens of millennia because they were able to conquer large territories, but because their cooperative socio-economic systems were sustainable & mutually beneficial. Hence, they had no need to change - that is, until they were subjugated & their habitats plundered by the colonial empires. They numbered in the hundreds of millions worldwide as scattered tribal communities of varying population levels. They had no need to expand their territorial control unless it was on behalf of the will of a bellicose chief/king/emperor.

    While it might seem contradictory, some Native American tribes did engage in raiding activities without necessarily having large-scale, sustained "wars" as understood by Western societies. This often stemmed from factors like acquiring resources, settling disputes, or asserting dominance over territory, with raids being a more targeted form of conflict than full-blown warfare. Despite this, most tribes connected with one another through the exchange of trade & tribe members, religious pilgrimages, and through collaboration & the sharing of ideas. The trade routes in the Americas alone spanned tens of thousands of miles, reaching from Alaska to California & throughout N. America, and down into South & Central America.

    Construction of the Inka Road stands as one of the monumental engineering achievements in history. A network more than 20,000 miles long, crossing mountains and tropical lowlands, rivers and deserts, the Great Inka Road linked Cusco, the administrative capital and spiritual center of the Inka world, to the farthest reaches of its empire. The road continues to serve contemporary Andean communities across Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, and Chile as a sacred space and symbol of cultural continuity. In 2014, the United Nations cultural agency, UNESCO, recognized the Inka Road as a World Heritage site.
    https://americanindian.si.edu/explore/exhibitions/item?id=945

    So even the pre-Columbian civilizations had their own empires (eg, Aztec, Incan, Mayan, etc.), which had populations that rivaled or even exceeded those of the largest European cities of the time - with some suggesting that the Americas had a larger total population than Europe before Columbus's arrival. These empires were remarkably sophisticated, demonstrating advanced knowledge in areas like astronomy, mathematics, engineering, plumbing (with running water, wastewater/sanitation, irrigation & fountains), metallurgy, writing systems, architecture, and complex social structures, as well as impressive artistic and agricultural practices.

    But, as is the fate of all great empires, they collapsed & vanished. They aren't sustainable systems for the simple reason that the concentration of power & wealth is too great, leading to public backlash & internal instability. Naturally, groups will emerge that are marginalized (even persecuted, abused, or enslaved) who grow intolerant of being deprived of freedom & easy access to basic needs, and will rebel. This, coupled with the dilution of the empire's ability to impose its will across greater distances in its expansionism, and you have the makings of impending collapse.

    The solution then becomes simple: Establish a society with a socio-economic system that ensures all citizens have the freedom to pursue their creative interests/talents without undue harm to others, easy access to basic needs/resources, transparency & the sharing of ideas, and one that's aligned with a cooperative economic framework.

    In summary, people often mistake a society's development with its ability to expand. But, any small tribal community can expand & extend its territorial control, if it seeks to do so, by simply increasing its own population and/or by absorbing members of outside groups. However, other than the need to migrate in times of scarcity/environmental crisis, to escape or fend off a foreign invader, or to connect with other cultures for trade & the exchange of ideas/people, there's no need for a society to expand its territorial control - for there's no need for a society to impose its will on distant cultures that pose no threat to it.

    The underlying agenda of an imperial ruler lies not in any actual need to maintain control over a large society/population, but in their personal passions & desire to do so - often for self-aggrandizement. As such, no society needs to be a large, high-density population under the control of a centralized leadership. It would be better for an empire to simply break apart into smaller pockets of communities that remain connected through trade or other mutually productive relationship. What's important is that disparate societies, if they wish, can form connections & remain connected through mutually beneficial exchanges - rather than through force & hostility. This peaceful merging is the sustainable means by which societies can expand - if they so desire - and become one, much larger, unified society.
     

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