Christian influence in society? Yes. A theocracy? No

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  1. Jolly Penguin

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    I think it says something that most virologists around the globe agree that the vaccines worked. Sure, it is argument from authority, but sometimes that's all we have, and I see little reason to suspect they would all be corrupt.
     
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    Most Republicans want the US to be declared a Christian nation, that is Christian nationalism, and they know it is unconstitutional.
    They are in favor of Christian sharia law, hardly what this country was founded on.
    Your crying about being a "victim" for being criticized for your beliefs is how a free society works, but the right threatens this "free society" with Christian nationalism. They are not victims either, they are the enemy of a free society.
     
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    You simply prove the author of the threaded article to be exactly right about every point he wrote.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    No I didn’t. You and the writer's main thrust was to adopt victim-hood because of your beliefs. You will be misinterpreted no matter what you say, bludgeoned, bullied and on and on. Somebody call a waambulance. Debatable beliefs can be criticized. If a business is open to the public, it can’t choose what the public is. Some religions believe an abortion is a choice. Calling people out for being bigots, hypocritical or ignoring the rights of others is part of living in a free society, which most of your ilk does not believe in, because they want to make this a “Christian nation”.
     
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    i am a spiritualist, as such i see the tenets of our religions to be rooted very similar, myself i see concepts of Christianity in use thousands of years before Christ,
    the simple statement "as above so below" exemplify s this "god is within us all" a country based on REAL christian principles is fine, but many so-called Christians have diluted and discombobulated their versions into political power, and this cannot stand, i go so far as to think some modern day political Christians are in league more with the devil. and i emphasize "some" not all
     
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    This documentary is an excellent example of what you are saying, claiming a group promoting Jesus and only promoting Jesus, i.e., not promoting political positions, is trying to take over the world. I am not a Christian, as anyone seeing my posts in the religion section of this forum knows, but after seeing this documentary I commented to my wife, who is a Christian, that liberals have branded the Christian religion a global threat.

    Recommend watching.
    https://www.netflix.com/title/80063867
     
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    People are free to get a moral code or moral guidance from any religion of philosophy they want to. Separation of chruch and state does not mean a politician or a teacher, or a SCOTUS justice cannot have a religion.

    What we continue to drift towards is communism. Show me a SCOTUS decision where an opinion is based on the dictates of a religion and not on the Constitution.

    For the left this is acceptable - pledging allegance to the gay flag
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    For the left this is not acceptable = a coach praying.
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    Otherwise known as the No True Scotsman fallacy.
     
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    Obviously, people can have their own religions.

    And, part of the reason for that is that the government and it's arms (such as public education) can't teach a specific religion as being correct.

    The separation affects the STATE, not individuals. Individuals can have their own religion. But, the STATE doesn't get to have a religion. The STATE doesn't get to teach you Catholicism or Islam, or atheism, or whatever as being the correct view.

    A teacher may be a Muslim, but they can't lead your kids in Islamic prayer, because of the separation of church and state.

    And, the same goes for Catholics and the rest.

    Another aspect is that religious documents can't be used as guidance for decisions in our court systems.
     
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    Like I said, this isn't the right thread for this subject, but I'll go ahead and reply anyway. (And I'm assuming you didn't read any of the material I posted above.)

    Your argument lacks context, is too simplistic, and ignores critical details. Also, in conflating the science of technology to the science of living organisms, you're comparing apples to oranges.

    However, before I address these issues, I wish first to ask you a couple logical questions. These questions are critical, because if you fail to approach the subject in question logically, then how can you make an accurate assessment of the subject matter in general?

    (1) Do you believe that viruses both exist and are responsible for human illness (ie, they are pathogenic contagions)? If so, why or why not?

    (2) If you suspected that a micro-organism was responsible for a particular illness, what logical steps would you go through to test this?
     
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    Your questions have been answered irrefutably by scientists from around the entire world who study the issues of viruses. There just isn't any question here. You would have to support a conspiracy theory covering the entire planet.
     
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    It does cover the planet. However, it's widespread belief (by both laypeople & scientists) is due more to ignorance & bad science, while the conspiracy is likely confined to a much smaller group at the very top. Fauci seems to have been doing the bidding of those at the top since the HIV/AIDS scam.

    Consider also how many people will blindly believe what their doctor(s) and the health & science agencies claim to be true.
    Consider also the heavy campaign of "debunking" conspiracies & discrediting researchers, and the continued censorship in the media & internet.
    Consider also that Covid "case numbers" and Covid "testing" are meaningless. Deaths are all that matter. Most of the deaths were of those 65 and older. Not only that, but only 5% of total Covid deaths were attributed solely to Covid (95% had up to 4 comorbidities). But did they do thorough autopsies on all those deaths? Where's the science?

    If there was nothing to this alleged conspiracy, there would be no need to censor anyone. The truth would be evident all around us as people would be dropping like flies if pathogenic viruses existed. If the virus existed, do you really believe that "social distancing" would do any good? Do you believe wearing a mask would do any good? Do you really believe the "pandemic" is fizzling out because of vaccinations? Whatever happened to HIV? Why did it fizzle out? Where are the milliions that were supposed to have died from HIV?

    I'll tell you why: Because you can't keep such a lie going for that long.
     
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    That does not come within a thousand miles of supporting your idea that there is a world wide conspiracy concerning viruses.

    There IS a need to censor bad healthcare ideas, because they hurt humans.

    Even homeopathic products that are 100% inert (regardless of claims) hurts people, as it causes individuals to fail to consult actual medicine. The result is increased bad health, including death due to delayed healthcare.

    With COVID, deaths of COVID patients are absolutely are NOT all that matters. We've lost disproportionate numbers of first responders and health care workers who have contracted COVID due to constant exposure to large populations of those sick with COVID as they work successfully lower the death rate. We've had retired doctors and nurses come back to work to help those sick with COVID, even though retirees are at an age that is most susceptible to bad outcomes.

    We owe these people a debt of gratitude and respect for the sacrifice that has helped lead to lower death rates as medical science works to find solutions - not your suggestion that the lower death rates are justification for irresponsible behavior.

    Plus, there are long term health impacts of surviving COVID.

    Science based medicine has continued to improve treatment of HIV. The result is that those who have contracted that disease are not just surviving, but are living full and active lives.
     
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    I agree with what you are saying here. At other times, you seem not to understand what you are saying.

    I want teachers to teach their subjects.

    But, we're seeing books removed from libraries, pressure to present creationism, prayer taught by coaches, etc.

    As you point out, teachers are agents of the government. The government isn't supposed to be teaching a particular religion in those and other ways.
     
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    Yes, our government leaders can have their own religion, obviously.

    The line comes in using the power of government to teach kids, or otherwise use the power of government to push their religion.

    All the SC justices have their own religions. But, their JOB is to properly interpret our constitution, NOT their religion.

    All our coaches have their own religious ideas. But, their job is to coach, not to teach their team how to pray to the coach's God.

    All our science teachers have religious ideas, but their job is to teach science, not creationism, etc.

    All our teachers of sociology, psychology, philosophy, etc., have religious ideas. But, their job is not to teach Christianity - it is to teach these topics and the way deep thinkers have come to various philosophies over time. Our kids can't know the problems of Nazism, communism, racism, socialism, autocracy, democracy, capitalism, etc. when these topics are removed from education.
     
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    no at those times I'm talking about your religion and you want it to be true like most religious people.
    creationism plays a huge role in history. If you just want to cherry pick what history you like you're not teaching history.

    Hey coach having a prayer this is the coach teaching a prayer the coach teaches football or volleyball or whatever.

    Except you want them teaching this crazy global warming cult religion as though it's fact.

    You need to keep your damn religion out of schools. I'm 100% for that no climate change allowed in schools that's a religion and it's stupid.
     
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    There is a difference between
    A) Having a religious belief , and
    B) Forcing that belief on others through physical violence (Law)

    So have your belief - keep it - be happy one lives in a country that allows freedom of religion .. but keep it to yourself. You have no right forcing others to adopt your religious customs in a secular Society.

    So .. what does this mean "young William"

    If there is a referendum tomorrow .. banning alcohol .. you have no business voting Yes - because you don't like alcohol .. or because your religion forbids it .. as that is not the question of the referendum.. The question of a referendum is "Do you have sufficient jusftification to to use physical violence to force others not to drink alcohol" God doesn't like it .. is not a legitimate answer.. prove God does not like alcohol ? or I don't like it.. so what .. then don't drink .. and if you don't want others forcing their personal quirks on you through physical violence .. then don't do same to others .. the golden rule kicking in.
     
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    Our government can't be about what is YOUR religion and what is MY religion. That just can't be a concept.
    I wasn't referring to history, and neither are Christians who want Christian creationism taught in science class.
    I agree - that IS the coach teaching his/her religion rather than some sport.
    We can't operate by calling whatever we don't like "religion" and thereby demanding that it be shunned by educators. That tactic can't be allowed.
     
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    Wow - your support is appreciated.
     
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    At your Service .. :) Just spreading the Teachings of Jesus .. aka "HeyZeus" to the Initiated Elect .. :afro::afro::afro:
     
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    Do you have a link that anyone has branded Chrisitanity a global threat?
     
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    Christians can't decide amongst themselves what they believe.
    They shouldn't be allowed to confuse an already messed up political environment.
    Or threaten others with their mumbo jumbo.
     
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    Hard to know where to begin except "in the Beginning" - is not how things happened .. and this is what should be taught in schools .. at least not the literal version.

    Every Child should be taught "Where we came from" - the answer to which is .. "We don't know" - but there are many stories. .. one of which is Evolution, another which is Ancient Aliens, Another which includes divine intervention -

    Such that the kid has a general idea of what the general ideas are out there .. what folks believe under the "Divine Intervention" section for sure you would include various flood myths .. the most prominent being the near east .. including the Bible's rendition .. but the kid would hear 10 similar tales from around the near east .. and 20 more tales from around the world .. The Kids would all love this class .. cause these stories are fantastic .. including the Bible Stories .. all good stuff .....

    Now Climate Change .. that must be taught .. for the same reasons as religion . and in the same way .. giving treatment to all sides .. as this is how we are supposed to be teaching .. to develop critical thinking. .. this along with the propaganda side of things.. and of course my publication "Not in my back Yard - Dump it in the Ocean" - Joe Biden's environmental Policy for the Earth .. would get top billing .. should be taught to every person in the world.
     
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    yet you require and have government recognition of your religion.
    well the school is even more forbidden from telling you your religion is wrong.
    It isn't.
    I'm calling a cult a religion that's charity.
     
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    The school has no business telling people their religion is wrong. That violates the first amendment
    Schools and any government entity is forbidden from calling any religious belief a myth.
    Climate change nonsense is a religion. I'd consider it a doomsday cult like heavens gate or jonestown.
     

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