Christianity is a false religion

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  1. Grey Matter

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    To a large extent I suppose it is more or less the case that every religion is a "death cult" and I do intend to use the term as a pejorative statement about this nature of religions.

    Not having studied all of the world's religions with any significant expense of my time and attention, I cannot much observe and or argue details of canon or advocate for this one versus that one as an attorney at law might be able to make a case for this one versus that one.

    However among all of our religions' basic precepts, from Christianity to Confucianism, and at all stops in-between, religion is the business of death, and why one should live appropriately so that they may face a wonderful fate in the afterlife. Be it entering the gates of Heaven, or welcomed by one's ancestors for having done well upon this Earth.

    Christianity I am, by birth and culture, most familiar with.

    It, like all the others is a death cult religion in this minimal sense, then.

    And this is not just my opinion, it is a matter of fact and of commonality among religions.

    But, lets take a moment to look at just the three, Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

    Judaism has its Star of David.

    Islam has its crescent moon.

    Christianity - what is its symbol? Remind me? You are familiar with what they predominantly prefer to hang from a gold chain around their necks?

    I had one myself once, adored it!

    Found it at a Middletown Ky Main Street art festival.

    Really beautiful perfectly white mother-of-pearl piece it was, just the right size too.

    Best I recall, it came with a leather necklace.
     
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    @Canell

    While I left Catholicism at 21, and have long since drifted away from Christianity-- I have several decades under my belt, as a Pantheist, though lately, I've felt more like an Agnostic-- I have to call your argument, bunk. Even though I agree with your general sentiments, in a number of your points-- still, your argument, is that this makes Christianity, "not a true religion." Your OP did not even concern itself, with defining the qualifications, of a true religion. Hence, true or not, none of your points, prove what you intend. Being a "gloom & doom religion," does not make it, not a "real," religion. Because part of the religion deals with eschatology (end times), does not disqualify it, from being a religion. Christianity is the only religion to have predicted an end to the world: Ancient Nordic religion, believed in a final battle, called "Ragnarok."

    In short, I think you misstated your premise, which seems to be that you think Christianity is a sucky religion.
     
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    None of those reasons outlined in the OP seem like a logical argument for why it is a false religion.

    The argument seems to start with several premises about reality and the future, premises which atheists would just naturally assume were true, but then tries to use that as a basis to "prove" Christianity is logically incorrect.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matthew 10:16)
     
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    Take a look around you. Do you think, in your opinion, that the world is "degrading"?
     
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    I think we would need to have a whole other thread specifically about that. (And we have)
    In philosophy / theology it's referred to as "the problem of evil".
     
  7. Canell

    Canell Well-Known Member

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    Fist of all, the so called "sacrifice" (i.e. dying on the cross for our sins) doesn't make sense. It's questionable, in other words. I know all the clerics love parrot it but why would a omnipotent God sacrifice part of Himself (if we believe in the Holy Trinity) to pay peoples sin to the other part of Himself, when He can simply forgive those sins in the first place?

    Some Christians believe the Earth is going to replicate (split) and create "a new Earth and a new Heaven". So the good people will "remove" themselves from this old Earth, if you will. But then again, this "doom" mentality is bad for this world. What if we don't have "a new Earth" and we have to live with the consequences of this world? It would be a terrible world - polluted, ruined, contaminated water, etc., etc. I'm moving to a new house, f that old house, I don't care. But what if the loan for the new house suddenly gets rejected and you are stuck in your old house you didn't maintain an neglected?
     
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    Well, my bad, I guess. All religions are false, more or less. :)
    My point was that Christianity promotes false beliefs (like the idea that Jesus died for your sins) on the premise that if you repeat a lie 100 times, it becomes truth. Well it doesn't in my book. This has being repeated billions of times and it's still fake.
     
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    OR.. you can just move to Texas where the air is fresh, water is clean... housing is great and affordable... people are nice and friendly... beef is plentiful... streets are safe... crime is low... and life is wonderful.
    TEXAS!! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!!
     
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    you must be really miserable... so unhappy. Lighten up.
     
  11. Canell

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    So we can agree that Christianity is a "death cult" as stated previously in this thread. :)

    Most definitely, it is. For example, I like music and can tell you the latest pop music is despicable, impossible to listen. Can we agree on that too?
     
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    You get upset about music? Gees... you must have no problems at all... LOL
     
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    Nah, too hot and too many rattle snakes. :lol: The other reason - I'm not American, I live in Europe. So, it would be a big hassle. :)

    Everything is bigger in Texas, even the American Dream, eh? :lol:
     
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    See, I told you I don't need to "keep up". :lol:
    Anyway, good night to you, sir, I believe it's pretty late in Texas now.
     
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    Yup... TEXAS ROCKS!
    I like Europe a lot too! I lived Germany for years! UK for awhile. Netherlands too. Greece awhile. Great memories.
     
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    Again, you don't really set Christianity apart, by that standard. Secondly, you seem to think that you can know the nature of reality. Even if I don't subscribe to the same beliefs as another person, I try to keep in mind that, if I cannot say for a certainty, that my ideas are true-- which is something that any undeluded person should be willing to admit-- then I cannot say for a fact, that anyone else's ideas are false, even if I am dubious that any of us has it right.
     
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    It's not psychobabble, it's literally how the atoms that make up everything we know and see and that has ever existed are able to do so. Be ALibrARyguy for a day and you could learn some wonderful things about the world and the universe you live in.
     
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    I don't mind others taking a jab at "religion" as it is man's efforts to reach God. Philosophy is an effort by man to put true wisdom into words. Christianity, however, is God's effort to reach across the divide, and offer mankind a true gift and that is to re enter a relationship with Him in spite of the pride all of us harbor. Atheism, like religion, is man's efforts to deny God.
     
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    Oh yes it is. It is the very essence of "religion". It is the belief that mankind has all the answers and there is nothing greater than his mind.
     
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    Sin is the breaking of perfect eternal law. So justice requires a perfect sacrifice to satisfy it. Jesus Christ is that perfect sacrifice. It wasn't to save us in our sins, but from our personal sins and from death. All men know in conscience that they, like a tree, have an axe laid at their root. So they rely upon Gods mercy and charity to turn a blind eye to them and prolong their days till the season of repentance which comes to every man. That's why his gospel is referred to as the gospel of repentance. God can't forgive you of that which you do not repent or cease to do. Jesus Christ is the example for how men ought to be. So we follow him rather than procrastinate our engagement with the eventuality of justice.

    As for a new heaven and earth. I'd leave God's future work to God and concentrate on the first principles of salvation. The first principles are faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism and reception of the Holy Ghost by one having the authority to do so. The gospel gives no more carte blanche to pollute the earth than ones own body and soul. However if you desire salvation and the resurrection with a new heaven and earth, the choice is yours.
     
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    There is no such thing as a false religion. All religion is an interpretation of whatever spirituality is out there. A religion can only be false in the context of another religion, thus making both religions false by the premises of the other.
     
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    Simply because it does not make sense to you, or is questionable to you, means nothing. Religion isn't required, in and of themselves, to make sense. That's your view and your criteria for a religion that you would accept maybe, but such criteria on your part does not invalidate a religion and make it false or validate a religion and make it true.

    Key word. Many don't have that mentality. Which brings it back to the whole interpretation thing I mentioned earlier. Some hold that it is part and parcel with their religion to take care of this earth, otherwise they don't get to take part in the "new earth". You're broad brushing here on a grand scale.

    That you don't believe it doesn't make it false. That someone else believes it doesn't make it true. You are presenting an absolutism fallacy here. There are many claims of religions that can neither be proven nor disproven. To claim they are undeniably false is as arrogant as to claim they are undeniably true.
     
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    I have been a Messianic Gentile for fifty years now.......
    and I hate to admit it but it seems as if ninety percent or more of professional Christian Theologians...... have a terrible lack of Faith and Hope and it sure seems as if they are obsessively worried about the amount of money coming in through donations................... It seems as if most professional Christian Theologians are serving money.... rather than Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected form.... which I do believe is also the Being of Light of near death experience fame who reviews our lives with us when we die...... or when we have a brush with death...... a near death experience......


    www.near-death.com/
     
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    This is an interesting angle, innit? For clarification, your assertion is that it is invalid for anyone to have an opinion that one, two, three or even all religions are false? And someone else's opinion that a given religion is true does not necessarily make it so?

    Haven't you then excluded religion in general from the set of human precepts, disciplines, concepts, cultural norms and conventions, etc. that can be utilized for the purpose of discerning what is truth? It seems to me that this is the result of this direction of argument: religion cannot be defined in terms of truth, and/or, truth is irrelevant when discussing religion.
     
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    How so?
    By learning carpentry, leaving for a 40 day vision quest, returning and never working a real job again for the rest of his life?
    By never marrying, by never being a father, by never having had the dedication to raise kids?
    By turning water into wine?
    By turning 6 fish into 600 hundred fish?
    By being executed by the government and returning to life three days later, and, be sure to get the timing right: in the Spring?

    A perfect sacrifice to balance broken perfect laws?
    You couldn't much provide a better example of why I see my opinion of your particular interpretation of Christianity as exemplary of its death cult character.
     
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