Christie is in. Does he have a constituency?

Chris Christie announces 2024 presidential campaign by going after Trump

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie launched his second presidential campaign on Tuesday, entering the growing Republican primary race as former President Donald Trump's main antagonist. Christie took aim at the former president throughout his remarks, calling him "a bitter, angry man who wants power back for himself."

Christie framed his decision to run for president on his belief that the country is at a pivotal moment of having to choose between "big and small." Christie made the case that in recent years the country has been helmed by people who have "led us to being small — small by their example, small by the way they conduct themselves, small by the things they tells us we should care about ... They're making us smaller by dividing us into smaller and smaller groups."

"All throughout our history, there have been moments where we've had to choose between big and small," he said. "I will tell you, the reason I'm here tonight is because this is one of those moments."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-...-campaign-watch-live-stream-today-2023-06-06/

Chris went hard after the Orange Buffoon during his announcement event. Easy pickings to point out Don is a self-serving loser who never should be allowed to get within 500 miles of the WH. But Chris is an old guard Repub. He has no interest in the performance politics of either Individual 1 or the Crazy in the House. In today's POT he is bereft of a natural constituency.

I think it would be entertaining to see Chris and Don go toe to toe at a debate event. Christie would mop the floor with him in a policy debate. I'd like to watch them insult each other. Christie might be the only candidate who can fight Don on his terms. But win over enough primary votes? Nope. The party, especially primary voters, has little interest in a serious policy guy. They want the Trump Show.

 

As with most who have thrown their figurative hats in the figurative Republican ring, Mr. Christopher Christie is using the election as a means to keep his name before the general public. The hope is that this will translate into dollars down the road, either as a job or in book sales. We may see at least one new AM 'conservative' talk radio show host emerge after November of 2024.

It's a logical move for Mr. Christie, and one that will continue as long as the 'campaign fund' money keeps showing up in his coffers.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

One attendee of his event said of Christie......“Very centrist. Not a right-wing nut like so many of them, frankly, if I may be candid.”

The problem for Chris being the POT likes nuts. He'd have a better chance of winning if he accused Dems of eating babies than laying out a considered vision for the country.

 

Kinda sounds like he's running on big government. If so, then no, he wont get very far.

 

You have misconstrued what he meant by "big and small."

 

Hi, Lee Atwater.

As I noted, Mr. Christie, if he's able to evaluate his situation realistically, knows he has a vanishingly small chance of winning the Republican nomination for President of the United States of America. There's no need for him to pander to the tastes* of this or that group within the Republican voterage.**

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

* Word selected carefully.
** Neologism with multiple 'readings'.

 

Christie is in. Does he have a constituency?

He does have a lot of belly. I think he will be one more single digit candidate. The republican race is between Trump and DeSantis.

 

My guess is he's hoping he can turn the party around given the opportunity to confront Trump's buffoonery head on, though it is a Quixotic quest.

 

trump does not debate policy. trump looms and menaces. can christie deal with that better than cruz or the others? i doubt it.

and, of course, trump's always friendly media will declare him the winner. that is who wants this disaster. trump sells commercials.

 

I'm not so sure he expects to win, I think he just wants to become a thorn in Trump's paw.

 

Christie didn't "throw his hat into the ring", he rolled out on the stage to announce. He's guaranteed one vote.

 

No, his chances are practically zero.

 

All minor GOP primary candidates have one purpose—to fracture the anti-trump demographics into insignificant voting blocks and ensure a primary win for the Trump.

 

the "policy debate"phase of the repub nomination is over.

 

I don't think he has a constituency, but he does have the abilities to get under Trump's and DeSantis' very thin skin. So it's an interesting addition to the field.

With Chris Christie there, I VERY much doubt that Trump will show up to any debate. And, if he does, I doubt it will be more than one after Chris Christie is done with him.

 

There is an old saying that says never roll in the mud with a pig because you both get covered in mud, and the pig likes it.

Love Trump or hate him, it is clear that Trump absolutely LOVES to roll around in the mud. There is nothing in the historical record that would indicate that Trump ducks debates with fighters. He lives for that kind of thing.

Additionally, Christie is nothing special in debates. He is middling at best. There is no reason whatsoever to conclude that Trump would duck him.

 

Sad how playground taunting is what qualifies as debate in the POT.

 

I'm told that so does Chris Christie.

He ducked the latest one. He's been already signaling that he might not show up.

Not in debates about issues. But he's pretty good at mud slinging. He's very good at improvising on the spot.

The exchange here illustrates what I mean.


I don't know how he'll do against Trump. But it will be interesting.

 

The only constituency I can think of that Christie might have is found among those who want Social Security recipients to be subjected to "means-testing" as the new basis for determining whether they're going to continue to be paid what the government promised them, after they had been contributing to the system as required by law all their lives. He got lots of attention by suggesting this, along with raising the age for SS eligibility, back in 2015.

Americans are quick to notice when politicians want to flip-flop and "change the deal" on them. And advocating changes to Social Security cost Rick Santorum his political aspirations, and it is likely to do the same to Nikki Haley, too.

 

Which would only mean that you have two people that like to roll in the mud.

There is nothing there to indicate that one of those people that love to roll in the mud would dodge a debate because someone else likes to roll in the mud.

The only time Trump has argued against debates is when he feels like the moderation might be unfair, certainly not because of a particular opponent.

I would actually be rooting for Desantis so I might even like it if Chrstie took him down, but I would fully expect that Trump would destroy Christie as he did with virtually everyone else in 2015 Republican debates. To assume otherwise is not logical. In the list of worries that Trump has about the upcoming primaries, Christie does not even register a blip.

Republican voters despise Christie. A despised candidate doesnt tend to do very well on balance.

 

The only time Trump has argued against debates is any time he feels they don't benefit him.

 

Do you have an example of him ducking a debate because of an opponent that likes to roll in the mud?

Or are you just going to point to some situation where he was arguing against a particular set up or moderator etc?

 

No, but I don't think that is Christie's reason for joining the fray. Again, it is another anyone but Trump in the GOP primary type of thing. All Christie will do is point out the fallacies and the reasons why Trump should not be president. It won't help because there is already another movement of hero worship with Trump and Trump can do no wrong no matter what any Grand Jury says.

 

LOL! I knew it wouldn't take long before Trump would take a shot at Christie's size, but that soon? Trumpers, you made your bed, now you have to lay in it. Enjoy what is coming to you in the primaries. It won't be pretty.

 

Apart from Trump and DeSantis no other candidate will even get 10% primary vote. Christy knows this very well. You might be right, Christy is in for money, keep his name alive and book sell.

For the sake of the country, I hope he is also for bringing some sanity and traditional conservatism back. But to do that he can’t just attack Trump but Trumpism. That means he has to attack DeSantis, Niki , even Tim Scott.

Honestly speaking, I don’t know if republican party can be saved.