CIA vs. FBI + NSA - The dilemma of services in advance of September 11, 2001

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    It has been done and not because he says so.

    People like you ask for evidence it is given and you see it then you ignore it, you wait a while and then ask for it again like you never saw it.

    People on these threads have presented it over and over it is getting childish and dishonest to ask for it again.

    This poll you mention is absolutely irrelevant. Consensus proves nothing especially from a dedicated alternate reality conspiracy theory website which ignores evidence.
     
  2. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    So there you have it, eh? Someone "like me" has been given proof and therefore, I and everyone else "like me" should pick it up by osmosis or something? If you don't want to present your proof (or has it now been downgraded simply to "evidence") that the official story is true, just say so, quit beating around the bush.

    Look, perhaps you don't give a hoot about what Americans think, and that's certainly your right. Perhaps not many Americans participate here, and you think that those 46% of Americans who don't believe in the official story regarding 9/11 are fools and should not be given a second thought. How about a world poll? http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/535.php If you're not interested in what anyone in the world who is skeptical or downright disbelieves the official story think on the matter, it begs the question, why are you even participating in this thread?
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No you are trying to spin and lie.

    It has been shown to you.

    There are no studies showing 46 % of Americans think that way. The study you quoted was hand picked people who the conspiracy website studied and vetted
     
  4. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No,the numbers are NOT 'growing',judging by the dwindling numbers of truthers at ground zero for anniversaries of 9/11

    And building 7 did NOT collapse 'in it's own footprint',And in fact,it had been expected to collapse all day following the collapse of the towers..It as already beyond repair,so a controlled demolition on 9/11 was pointless

    Try again
     
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    It has been "shown" to me? You sound like someone who came to my door, trying to peddle their religion on me :p.
    I never said there were studies. I said there was -a- study that said this.

    What's this? How could I be quoting a study that doesn't exist :p?

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. You have any evidence for this theory of yours?
     
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    Yes the website which you provided the link to and drew your study from
     
  7. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    What we have here is circular reasoning. Here's an example given on a page of logical fallacies:
    (1) The Bible affirms that it is inerrant.
    (2) Whatever the Bible says is true.
    Therefore:
    (3) The Bible is inerrant.

    Source: http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/begging-the-question/

    Modifying it a bit for the present situation:
    1- Those who question the official 9/11 story are wrong.
    2- The study was commissioned by a site that questions/disbelieves the official 9/11 story.
    3- The study must therefore be wrong.

    But you're the guy who says that I have already been "shown" proof that the official 9/11 story is true. Makes me wonder why I even bother -.-...
     
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    Yes you have been shown the proof and are merely trying to run in circles. It is the standard MO of all the conspiracy *****.

    As I said you saw the proof years ago you know and and lie to deny it. You move on to argue some other detail and then come back asking for the evidence PRETENDING you have never seen it.

    Now your efforts to deny that fact are childishly laughable.

    You are not questioning anything you are engaging in circular argueing. Your argument is. " show me the proof of THIS " ok " show me the proof of THAT" ok " show me the proof of THIS " " No I never saw it"

    You bother because like all conspiracy ***** you wish to PRETEND to be more enlightened intelligent and informed you are not.
     
  9. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    An accusation? Who am I accusing, and of what?

    It is not an accusation sir, it is an observation. One based upon years of study. Recall that we are discussing historical events, not current events.

    There is no evidence to support the official story. Sure, 2 airplanes flew into the towers, and the towers came down, but the airplanes were not the ones claimed in the official story, and the towers were brought down by controlled demolition, NOT in the manner described by NIST.
     
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    It still amazes me that so many otherwise rational people place so much faith in the statements of known liars. All the evidence works against the official story, those who told us the story are known liars, and yet if a person asks questions about that silly story, that person is called crazy.
     
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    There is overwhelming evidence to prove the official story which you have seen and deny seeing.

    Yes you are now lying because you have consistently been making accusations without evidence.

    Observations are not evidence and you have never produced any sort of evidence whatsoever that the official story is a lie or inaccurate.

    All you have done is repeat yourself ad infinitum with no basis for your assertions

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    No one places any such faith in your statements because every one knows you are the one who is the liar.

    You have never asked questions you have made accusations without proof
     
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    Oh ... some word play or what?

    Man ... if you are denying the official story and telling that it is a lie, then you are making an accusation that the US government and institutions are lying - point!

    So back this with real evidence, otherwise it is only jabbering and claiming!
     
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  15. Soupnazi

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    That is because you have been and it you using the very circular logic you denounce.

    The official story is not circular it is in fact supported by evidence which you have seen.

    Not one shred of evidence supports any claims by any twoofers or cters.

    Your circular logic is that government has lied and therefore always lies

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  16. Mandelus

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    Simple answer:
    And where are the real evidences which proof this all what you write like 1+1=2?

    Anyone is allowed to claim anything as far as it hurts not the rights of others ... but to make it as being more as jabbering and claiming, evidences have to be delivered. If not, it is not more serious as the blonde lady in 8th street telling that she saw yesterday the real Elvis alive!

    Back to Pentagon:
    Again and again this telling that it was not the United Airline Flight which crashed into the building. Until now not a spark of evidence is delivered that this claim is truth! Nor was any able alternative named, nor could any other alternative be proved like a bomb.
    All the rest is only rubbish jabbering around this core point = worthless crap!
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is an old saying that applies here. I can't remember, but I think it was Kierkegaard who observed that it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him that he has been fooled. Too true.

    We were all fooled by the events of the day here in the US, and while many of us have now realized that, there are many who have not yet realized that they were fooled. :peace:
     
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    More evasion and obfuscation.

    You have no evidence to demonstrate we were fooled.
     
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    Wow, truther rhetoric is really plumbing the depths. 'Only truthers are smart'. LOLOL On another site they are claiming that only the truthers are patriots.

    What next? Everyone who doesn't believe the irrational claims of 9/11 is a Nazi?
     
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    There will always be skepticism.
     

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