Cicilline calls our rights "bullshit"

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    There are no Constitutional rights to life.
     
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    That's debatable...

    5th Amendment
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
     
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    I'll amend. The government owes you justice, not perfect safety. Rights protect from government power, not your fellow denizens (generic "you").
     
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    Government isn't even "obligated" to give you that. Sometimes local law enforcement do not spend much time investigating. Sometimes people suffer injustice and those responsible for that injustice never get held to account.
    A lot of crimes never get solved, or sometimes for various reasons they will refuse to prosecute.

    My view of "rights" is, for one thing, everyone in that society is informed that you should be accorded that right, and two, there will be a preponderance of tendency for punishment against those who infringe upon the rights of others. (This typically involves society being organized in such a way to go after the perpetrators)
     
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    You have only the rights you're willing to stand up for and the rights that you are aware of.

    To the extent that you're ignorant of your rights you effectively do not have them.
     
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    He's calling out constitutional rights bullshit. No explanation needed.
     
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    Yet then they want to create new rights, like the right to healthcare and the right to abortion. Ironically these same people who don't give a crap about other constitutional rights don't need any convincing if someone's trying to argue there's a "constitutional right to abortion".
    Hypocrites, the lot of 'em.
     
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    He said the GOP claim that red flag laws trample on an individual’s due process and Second Amendment rights is BS.
    The criticism is, of course, correct - red flag laws only serve to disarm the law abiding and force them to take the state to court to get their guns back.
     
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    We only have rights to the point that the society we live in agrees to protect them. Usually through government.

    You can say that you have god given rights, but god isn't going to protect you from your neighbor infringing upon those rights.

    And your gun will only protect them against people with smaller guns.

    Rights are entirely a creation of humans, and depend on other humans to respect them.
     
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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

    That is, we form governments to protect the rights we hold.

    If the government refuses to do this it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.
     
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    yea, except our government is the result of our own bad choices.

    Abolishing the government and starting over, is going to get us the same results.

    I also think that we are so spoiled that some of us think our rights are being violated, when they really aren't and we just need to grow up.
     
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    Well then - status quo it is.
    -Piles- of evidence to support this.
     
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    If you are claiming the government is violating your rights, then the burden is on you.

    If no one is claiming the government is violating their rights, then i rescind my statement.
     
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    What burden?
    I said there is "piles of evidence" that "we are so spoiled that some of us think our rights are being violated, when they really aren't and we just need to grow up"
    Surely, you agree.
     
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    Sorry, i thought you were being facetious. Internet arguments have ruined me. Apologies.
     
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    Your life can't be taken without due process.
     
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    Furthermore, red flag laws are unnecessary, and do NOT accomplish their stated purpose.....to help the mentally ill. We already have laws and processes in every state to deal with this issue, all with due process. Consequently it can be correctly assumed that red flag laws are about gun confiscation, period.
     
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    "Shouldn't."
     
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    He also thinks a stabilizing brace for an AR is a bump stock.

    Idiocy abounds.
     
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    It's debatable, as I said. But I mostly agree with you.
     
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