Climate Change and Rising Sea Levels

First you tell me the changes to the lake have nothing to do with climate change, they you bring up a strawman as if that proves you know what changes climate?

My logic clearly was not what you claimed it is.

Allow me in my own words, not yours, nor other detractors say what I believe about Climate.

I speak of global climate.

In a nutshell, it is ultra complex.

That almost sums it up.

But to keep chatting, too complex for the politicians yapping on the topic to comprehend. Even discussing just Carbon Dioxide announces to the world, politicians do not get it.

How do they blame humans?

That one gas.

And is that gas natural? Sure it is natural.

Is that gas dangerous?

Well given we must have oxygen, and the output of plants is oxygen, we need to make sure plants get a supply of Carbon Dioxide.

Were politicians really honest, they would be planting plants at a furious pace were they really proponents that we are in danger from Carbon Dioxide.

They are BSing the public and I for one am sick of politicians pretending we are the danger to climate.

Finally on technical terms, the complexity of the globe and the entire climate and entire weather conditions is far too complex to trust models for. Models pump out data. And the data is not working for them.

The models never predicted the 18 year global pause.

The models do not predict the melting ice at one polle with increasing ice at the opposite pole.

This is pure politics.

This is why Democrat use it for political purposes.

 

The climate is changing and man is the cause. I will go even further. Deserts are growing and man is the cause. There is a giant dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico and man is the cause.

 

You get that from a comic book? Deserts are greening. Do you know why deserts are located where they are? Doubt it as much of the public knows very little of the facts. That is why they are so easily fooled.

http://inhabitat.com/the-worlds-deserts-are-greening-from-carbon-dioxide-fertilization/

 

Opinion and emotional rubbish


Where are your facts?

 

That sort of reply is expected from Democrats and or their sort when in other countries. They really have no clue about climate so they talk like that to those who do.

But do not fear, climate is not well understood. You are not alone. I know more than most since I have studied this for 20 years.

Let me set your mind at ease. Climate changes.

The sole question for those believing left wing tripe is why do you blame carbon dioxide? When you blame carbon dioxide, your true intent is to claim man can modify climate. That is rubbish.

 

Another misleading link by the great denier. Deserts are growing equal in area the size of Ireland every year caused by overgrazing , dry land farming practices ... and here it comes....lack of carbon in soils. Plants do not use less water when more carbon is in the air they cover soil and decrease evaporation from the soil. As carbon in the soil increases it holds more water. Soil degradation caused by leaving soil without a protective cover of green plant material or residue and disruption of soil biology cases the soil to be hungry, thirsty, naked, and running a fever. Farming is the only place on earth that would benefit from an increase in carbon but IN THE SOIL !!!!! It's the ecology, stupid!!!

 

Yes, greening of the Earth is terrible. One has to explain how it is bad even while it is happening. After all, what is one to do to keep the fear going.

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

 

Greening of the earth is caused by proper land management. A precipitation of 2 inches a year can support a cover crop. Proper land management would also eliminate irrigation in farmland as far north as Indiana. Irrigation that was not needed years ago.

 

You "logic" there was a bunch of meaningless anecdotes and subjective PC feelgood nonsense, which never came close to reaching a coherent point.

There never was a "pause". Seeing someone invoke that fraudulent bit of propaganda instantly identifies them as a mindless herd beast, a sheep that just bleats along with its herd. In the real world, the models have been very good. Anyone who says otherwise is some combination of ignorant, dishonest or misinformed. Moreover, the directly measured evidence proves human-caused global warming. If no models existed, the science would still be rock solid.

You seem dreadfully ignorant of the most basic science. You're like a medieval barber trying to lecture modern doctors on the virtues of bloodletting. You might sincerely believe in your pseudoscience religion, but any reason-based people still aren't falling for it. Unlike deniers, we have functioning BS detectors, and the smell of you're shoveling at us sets them off.

On your side, that's obviously true. Every denier is a member of the kook-right-wing fringe political conspiracy cult. Like you, they always end up invoking their favorite conspiracy theory concerning the VastSecretGlobalSocialistPlot. No conspiracy theories or political rants from our side, of course. We just talk about the science. We can, because all of the science backs us up.

 

Both sides, lissen up.

Did you notice that my post stuck to the science.

The detractors went crazy and changed the topic from climate to ME!!!!!

Suddenly I, Robert am now the topic.

I happen to have solid climate science on my side. I don't need detractors to get off topic to discuss posters.

But folks, really, isn't this just how Gore, and his minions operate all day long?

It is NEVER them, it is only us. We are told to fear climate and if we refuse, they make the topic us.

 

Who is managing the greening deserts?

 

It is usually the people that live in the areas where the deserts are greening...however two thirds of land on earth is desert.

 

You should check out Allen Savory s videos. Even what's up with that recommends them.

 

No, I don't think anybody noticed that. What we noticed was you running from the science.

Gore Rule invoked. Whoever brings up Gore first forfeits the discussion for their side.

And it's always the deniers who bring up Gore. After all, he's on the official list of EnemiesOfTheParty. To survive, cults need enemies to demonize and rally the faithful against.

Over here on the rational side, nobody brings up Gore. He's not a scientist, so nobody cares.

 

Denying your spiritual leader now eh?

 

I began a discussion this morning that could become pretty active if.....
The Donald chooses to make Governor Christie his V. P.......

I get into the alternate response to climate change in post #2....


http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...ristie-v-p-trump-response-climate-change.html
Chris Christie as V. P., and Trump response to climate change

 

That was so funny to run away from Gore.

 

Savory's science appeals to me. The cure without messing over man. But our Democrats can't have that. They want control.

 

I have always been against carbon taxes and putting miners out of work. I always thought there was a better way. A good start would be the millions of acres owned by the U.S. government. Farmers should become carbon farmers. If you look at soil as a carbon mine ...and that's what it is....the mine is just about mined out. The good news is the fact that we can replenish the mine. It would be an economic boom for the farmer and a life saver to starving millions. Nutrient rich soils produce nutrient rich plants
We need to put carbon back where it belongs


In the soil

 

You failed, miserably.

This comes from the abstract:

"If this acceleration remained constant then the 1990 to 2100 rise would range from 280 to 340 mm, consistent with projections in the IPCC TAR."

1990 TO 2100 IS 110 YEARS. Let's say the range of 280 mm to 340 mm is 300mm. That equates to 30 centimeters or 11.8 inches.... in 110 years.

This "rising ocean level" over 110 years is far less than an average tide. Alaska and the Bay of Fundy have tides of over 30 feet!
And you call 11 inches a big deal, worth panicking about? Oh please. Creating fear and panic from nothing is so typical of the raving left, as it ignores and trivializes real dangers such as bringing in more Syrian and Islamic immigrants to the United States.

 

Says the self-ordained arbiter of all debate. You leftists always pretend to be in charge, everywhere.
How pompous, how pretentious. How petty.

Tell us about YOUR Enemies of the Party, from Rush Limbaugh, to George Bush, to Ronald Reagan, to Richard Nixon, to "Faux News."
Your cult manufactures Talking Points by the thousands.

"Rational side." Uh huh. So says the guy who thinks he determines winners and losers in every discussion....
Gore has long been saying the same thing all your vaunted *scientists* are saying, so why do you throw him overboard now?
Change in your talking points, is all.

 

How accurate, as your rage shows.

Unlike your side, we don't call for jailing those who disagree with us. We are not like you. We're not Stalinists.

Now that you've got your cult-required demonization of EnemyOfThePartyGore out of the way, let's see what you're made of.

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, a Republican, attempted to prosecute Dr. Mann, a climate scientist, for the crime of doing science that TheParty did not approve of.

Every denier I've asked has stated they want climate scientists prosecuted, for one of the various imaginary crimes that they manufacture.

Do you also endorse such Stalinist tactics, or do you condemn them?

 

LOL, the skeptic world publically denounced Ken Cuccinelli for what he did. 'Your' side is now trying to prosecute business, organizations, and individual scientists for having a different opinion from the political consensus. The RICO 20. The democrat attorney generals. Even calls for killing alleged deniers. Your side has jumped the shark.

 

That is because the volcano put many tons of particulate matter into the air and that blocked some sunlight. Like putting a shade cover on greenhouse.

 

Quite the opposite. The denier world (no sane person calls them skeptics) as a whole was enraged that the prosecutions didn't go forward. They justified their Stalinism by claiming Dr. Mann was a fraud who deserved it, and they still say that. They use that same Soviet-style tactic to demand prosecution of all climate scientists.

Now, if you want to condemn it, good. But you'll be the first to do so.

Poiting out thtat they're babbling crank pseudoscience is not "prosecution". It's free speech.

RICO is civil action. How does one prosecute people with a civil action? If you can't tell the difference between criminal and civil actions, you have no place in the discussion.

By a few kooks. There was some Kennedy, and a professor nobody had heard of, and some random anonymous blog commmetors, and that's it. And all of those people were slammed hard by our side.

We are not like your side. We don't constantly demand that people be jailed for offending TheParty.