Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

So heat is released, not absorbed, proving me right and you wrong, as usual.

 

Total nonsense, you know nothing about science. So what is causing the coral bleaching and melting of the ice caps and glaciers etc if it's not from rapid global warming caused by human activity and the increase in atmospheric CO2?

 

I may look into it later. I don't live near Coral Reefs. You know what they say, "Out of sight, out of mind". I've been to the Great Barrier Reef (1990ish), and it would be a shame if those beautiful artifacts were getting destroyed. And regardless of who is correct, you or Mitty, either way; it's mankind's destruction.

 

That's what all the global warming deniers do in order to continue their global warming lifestyles, and just say that the current rapid global warming is only
a normal natural cycle and will get much worse and then cool again and has nothing whatsoever to with their activities.

 

Nope. No ignition without absorbing energy first.

You must believe flies come from garbage….LOL

 

The difference is if we address the problems I’m pointing out we can save the reef. You guys aren’t cooling the ocean any time this century. Probably never.

 

"You guys"? You mean "we".

 

Alas you have not presented any actual scientific evidence to support your hypothesis that nitrates have bleached the coral at Thursday Island and Palm Island.
And where did I claim that Mackay is north of Cairns? And where do you actually live in Queensland?
And what scientific evidence do you have that the sea temperatures in the outer reef at Mackay are the same as in the inner reef and that the nitrate levels are higher on the inner than the outer reef.

You haven’t made a single point that’s supported by evidence.

 

I found articles on reefs about nitrates near the Florida Keys, but I could find nothing about nit

I started looking into this, and this WUWT article is QUACKERY, once again. Every reputable source that I looked at stated that the reefs are bleaching out.

 

So how do you change the nitrate levels at Thursday Island or Palm Island or Cooktown? Or are you just blowing in the wind?

 

I’m not attempting to cool the ocean. I am concerned about helping the corals and their symbionts though with things we have actual meaningful control of. Australia can reduce bleaching very quickly by stopping deforestation. They could go net zero CO2 tomorrow and it would have no measurable effect on bleaching.

I would like two inches of gentle rain each week during the summer. I can’t make that happen so I take actions that leverage the rainfall I do get to cover for when none comes. It’s best to focus on solutions that are achievable and meaningful.

 

So how does deforestation affect the coral bleaching at Cooktown and Thursday Island and Lockhart River and Marina Plains?

And what effect does 50 mm of gentle rain each week have on the nitrate levels at Lockhart River?

 

I’ve never claimed nitrates have bleached specific islands. I said nitrates are responsible for bleaching in the GBR. I presented studies that come to that conclusion. It’s not my idea. I’m just reporting what scientists have discovered.

Who said I lived in Queensland? Do you live in Antarctica?

What scientific evidence do you have that the water temperature was higher at the red dot locations on the outer reef off Mackay than at the green dot locations?



I asked where your 250 km offshore location was. You said this.

Then when pressed for more information you said this.

The ONLY time I’ve made any statement about temperature being correlated with bleaching was this exchange.

I stated that there is more bleaching in the souther part of your Wikipedia map above than in the north and that the water is cooler in the more bleached area. Just a fact.

But you need to supply evidence the temperature varies between the red dots and green dots in the outer reef off Mackay. Otherwise there is more to bleaching than just temperature. If you can show the temperature differences that’s great. If not, then temperature is not the only significant factor.

My only point is that nitrates, sediment and other easily addressed problems are killing the GBR. I’ve not said warming isn’t a factor. I accept all science. I’ve posted peer reviewed studies showing nitrates and sediment are harming the GBR. You are welcome to your opinion that these things aren’t harming coral, but it’s denial of science.

 

Sorry can’t make heads or tails out of that. You can try again.

 

You lower nitrate levels in the entire GBR by modifying agricultural practices and stopping deforestation.

If you want details on what agricultural practices I’m happy to educate. It’s part of my business to reduce/eliminate nitrate and other nutrients and pollutants ending up in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

So what deforestation and agricultural practices can be changed on Thursday Island or Lockhart River?

 

Still not interested in strawmen.

Deforestation anywhere in Queensland that sheds water into the GBR affects bleaching in a variety of ways.

It disrupts photosynthesis with turbidity. It affects the energy balance between corals and their symbionts that allows bleaching at lower temperatures and slows recovery after bleaching. (As per the cited study you apparently haven’t read). It contributes to crown of thorns starfish population explosion that destroy coral and leave remnants that are weakened and more susceptible to bleaching.

I don’t know or care what effect 50mm of gentle rain has on nitrate levels at Lockhart River. How is that relevant?

 

There is very little ag in the Lockhart River catchment. I would have to see the grazing operations that do exist there to be able to comment. If you want to describe their practices we can go from there. Not really interested in strawman arguments.

Thursday Island is more strawman. It has no measurable agricultural sector.

 

So what evidence do you have that the nitrate levels are higher at the red dots than at the green dots on the Tropical Queensland map?

And what evidence do you have that the sea temperature at Lizard Island is warmer than at Cooktown or Cairns. And have you measured the sea temperatures and nitrate levels there?

And I don't live in Antarctica. Do you?

 

IOW you have no actual evidence that deforestation or nitrate levels are causing coral bleaching at Thursday Island or Lockhart River or Cooktown.

 

IOW deforestation and the nitrate levels are not causing the coral bleaching there or at Cooktown, and you are just grasping at straws. QED.

 

I don’t have evidence nitrate levels are higher at red dots than green dots. It has nothing to do with the substance of my posts.

I made one statement in temperate. That the water temperature is warmer in the northern reef than the southern. That’s it. I’ve provided two lines of evidence this is so. A peer reviewed study and official average water temp records.

You believe temperatures are the only relevant driver of bleaching. If this is to be accepted you must show there is a temperature difference between the red and green dots in the outer reef off Mackay. It’s your belief so you must back it up.

No I live in Nebraska. You asked where in Queensland I lived. Logically it follows that if I must live in Queensland to know anything about Australia or reefs or nitrates you must live in Antarctica to know anything about greening of Antarctica. I was just poking fun at your fallacy.

 

I uninterested in strawman arguments. My point is that deforestation is causing bleaching in the GBR. That’s not my opinion it’s the conclusions of multiple peer reviewed studies I’ve cited and are referenced in those cites.

The subject was coral in the GBR. That’s still the subject no matter how many distractions and fallacies you post.

I’m concerned about the entire reef and what’s causing damage to the entire reef.

 

Ok. So burning coal in Kansas that was mined in Wyoming is not causing bleaching of coral at Cooktown. Cool. I’m sure coal companies will be glad to hear your brilliant logic.

SMH

 

IOW you have no scientific evidence that nitrate levels at Cooktown are causing coral bleaching, nor have you shown that the sea temperature at Lizard Island is higher than at Cooktown or Cairns.