Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

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    IOW you have no evidence to support your claims.
     
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    So what are the actual statistics that the deserts are shrinking because of increased atmospheric CO2?
     
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    No, that is merely another objectively false claim from you. You make a lot of objectively false claims.
    They have no significant "greenhouse" effect -- the claim of "no" effect is merely another false and disingenuous fabrication on your part -- because of the fact -- known for over 100 years, and easily replicable by any competent physics undergrad with access to a university optics lab -- that adding CO2 and CH4 to ordinary sea-level atmospheric air has no significant effect on its infrared absorption properties.
     
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    IOW, you know very well I have repeatedly provided evidence for my statements -- as anyone reading this can confirm -- and you just falsely and disingenuously claim I have not because you know you have been refuted and you have no answers.

    It's always the same.
     
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    Apparently not.
     
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    IOW you have no evidence to support your claim. So why is Earth at a habitable temperature and the moon isn't?
     
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    I’ve already supplied peer reviewed studies showing how nitrate and incorrect N/P ratios allow coral to bleach at lower temperatures. You aren’t interested in studies.

    The peer reviewed study in my last post was from 2018 and says this:

    So let’s see if you will listen to organizations working to save the reef.

    https://www.barrierreef.org/news/explainers/predicting-coral-bleaching-great-barrier-reef


    Again, not my claims. I’m just educating you on what people who really care about reefs already know.

    Nitrogen prices are about 3 times lower than in 2022. Let’s look at historical Nitrogen prices and rising nitrate levels in the GBR.

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    You can see record high prices for nitrogen fertilizer in the time period nitrates went from near zero to 2 micrograms per Liter.

    Farmers are doing better. But for some reason scientists that are working to save the reef are building models to predict bleaching from runoff. I guess they are just dumb. Or they could be going by peer reviewed studies like I do…
     
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    IOW you have no evidence to support your claim that increased atmospheric CO2 from human activity hasn't caused global warming.
     
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    No, that is just another objectively false and disingenuous claim on your part. You are aware that I have provided evidence.
    Mainly because it has an atmosphere that raises surface temperature according to the Combined Gas Law. That is why the surface of Venus is much hotter and that of Mars much colder than that of the earth, compared to what would be expected based solely on their distances from the sun. Secondly because there is a lot of water vapor in the earth's atmosphere, which acts as an insulating blanket by absorbing and re-emitting infrared radiation from the surface, and thirdly because of trace "greenhouse" gases, mainly CO2.
     
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    No, those are just more baldly false and disingenuous claims on your part. I have provided evidence for both statements, and you are well aware of that fact.
     
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    I just gave you evidence and you know it. You just always falsely and disingenuously claim that I have no given evidence when I have. It's really quite a despicable tactic, but I have definitely seen the same sort of filth from disinformation artists before, many times.
     
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    No, I stated the relevant facts.
    <yawn> Like you?

    You claim to have a PhD in science, but the uniformly abysmal quality of your posts gives the lie to any such claim. IMO, you have never had a class in science beyond high school, and did not do very well in that.
     
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    So what is the evidence that nitrate levels on the barrier reef have increased in the last 20 years.
    And either way, the main cause of the coral bleaching on the barrier reef is from increasing ocean temperatures caused by increasing atmospheric CO2 from human activity, despite the claims by the climate change deniers.
     
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    No, you made that claim up, as usual. I didn't say it hasn't caused any global warming. I said it cannot have caused any significant global warming because it has no significant effect on infrared absorption when added to ordinary sea level atmospheric air. There is a difference, which you are not aware of because you have no education in science beyond high school level, and probably did not do very well even in that.
     
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    You have provided no credible evidence for such a claim, nor, on form, will you ever be doing so.
     
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    What is the minimum ocean temperature increase which would result in coral “bleaching”? Does the ocean water temperature change seasonally?

    How does an atmospheric temperature increase of ~ 0.007 degrees C per year result in an ocean temperature change that would “bleach” coral?
     
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    Quote me claiming no source of energy. LOL.

    Fission requires an input of energy. Either from an accelerator or from stored energy in the nucleus.

    Where did the energy in supernova come from? Your basement energy creating perpetual motion machine?

    Look. You’ve claimed matches light without outside energy input and fission occurs without energy input. Neither are correct. I’ve posted evidence both are incorrect.

    Your opinions are not science. I’m not sure why you think unsubstantiated opinions are science.
     
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    That's just your personal opinion which thousands of professional scientists and climatologists disagree.
    And I accept their opinions and not your's.
     
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    What is your evidence that increased sea temperatures haven't caused the coral bleaching on the Barrier Reef?
     
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    So what has caused the increase in global temperatures in recent years?
     
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    How much temperature increase are you claiming ?
     
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    IOW you have no evidence that increased sea temperatures haven't caused coral bleaching.
     
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    Peer reviewed research that I’ve posted twice now is the evidence.

    The “main” cause is irrelevant as that’s never been any part of my argument. I’m simply pointing out you nutters that deny science aren’t going to slow or stop bleaching by cooling the ocean. That’s rainbow farting unicorn territory. We CAN stop and slow bleaching by addressing OTHER causes like nutrient, sediment, COTS etc.

    I’m thankful organizations like the GBR Foundation and others are accepting the same science I do and have been sharing with you.

    Keep trying to cool the ocean and we will address other factors we have much more influence on. Good luck. Do you have any evidence you are going to cool the water in the GBR by reducing CO2 emissions this century? If not better get on board addressing other factors in coral bleaching, general health and destruction.
     
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    IOW you don't have have the slightest clue what you're babbling about.
    And what is your evidence to support your hypothesis that changes in solar activity is causing the recent global warming and not the increasing atmospheric CO2 from human activity?
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