CNN’s Don Lemon doubles down after saying white men are ‘the biggest terror threat in this country’

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  1. dairyair

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    I've never said white is the reason.
    And there is a link with data, FBI, that says RW terrorists have committed the most terrorism. It's not meaning white's are terrorists, but most of the recent domestic terrorists have been white. Do you think it is because of poverty or education for them. Actually, I think it is education for them. They've been taught to hate.
    So no, I've never assumed white is the reason. Hate is the reason. Plain and simple.
     
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    I might be a bit anal about this, but illegal is a qualifier, not quantifier. Still the thing that makes such statements false if we put all into one--as in a stereotype. All we need to do to make a statement like "illegal immigrants are rapists" is find one who does not fit the stereotype, and the statement becomes false. Simple rule of logic. And, of course, we are way far away from the OP.
     
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    We already went through this. If he says illegals are rapists, does he mean some, few, many, most? You have no choice (since most of us are not mind readers) but to go with "all". Illegals is plural, therefore he's says they are rapists, he means all of them are rapists unless he uses the quantifiers to specify what part he's referring to. This is just how language works. If I said Trump supporters are sporkies, you would assume that I'm labeling all Trump supporters, and rightly so unless I quantify what part of the group I'm referring to.

    It may seem like a tedious and ridiculous bit of hair splitting, but the fact is that we don't pay attention to language and are left to interpret it to suit our needs.
     
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    I hate to keep droning on this...Well, actually, I can't help myself--
    It really does matter how we phrase things. The differences between what we mean, what we say, and what people interpret can be quite different. If we're not paying attention to the way we say things, we can say things we didn't mean. If we say White men are "the biggest terror threat in this country’" it can be a lot like "Muslims are the biggest terrorist threat in this country." In both cases, we seem to be stereotyping. My own bias would lead me to agree with the first statement and argue against the second. I didn't look back to see what you actually said, but I get the point and I agree with you that it is about hate, not color. However, we like to put our thoughts into our little labeled mental boxes. Maybe if we changed White to radical White like we did with radical Muslims? Anyway, sorry for butting in.
     
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    and I never said black was the reason when I made my statement of fact now did I? you just automatically made that assumption so then you can dismiss it as racist
    see what happens when the tables are turned
     
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    Trump never said all illegals are rapist and murders?

    If I say Japanese's car manufacturers send us red cars to sell
    does that then mean all the cars that japan sends to us for sale are red? no it doesn't
    but because you want to hear all illegals are rapist and murderers so you can create the narrative that Trump is a racist that is what you hear
     
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    Well, it looked like that is what you were saying. Whites who hate and commit acts of violence based on hate doesn't mean whites are violent, but some are.
    Blacks who commit crimes because of poverty and lack of education doesn't mean blacks are more violent than whites who are also poor and lack good education.
    But if you say blacks commit more crime because they are black, that is racist.
     
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    tRUMP said illegals have murderers and rapists was to incite the base with fear.
    For there are more murderers and rapists that are citizens of the USA.
     
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    but Lemon didn't say white men "who hate" and or "commit acts of violence" are the biggest terror threat in this country he just said White Men no different when I said Black with no other qualifier
    but I'm the racist one and Lemon is not
     
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    he stated a fact and because you don't like that fact you attempt to silence it by calling it racist
     
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    The serious Left dismisses Lemon as the ignorant MSM twit that he is.

    "The “Supernatural” Hypothesis: More than any other anchor, Don Lemon has turned himself into a punchline during CNN’s incessant Flight 370 coverage (Wolf Blitzer was already there). Lemon’s first worst moment came nine days after the plane disappeared, when he “just put it out there” that maybe something “supernatural” happened.

    The Black Hole Hypothesis: A few days later, Lemon showed that he hadn’t learned his lesson by asking a former U.S. Department of Transportation inspector general if a black hole might have sucked the plane out of the sky."
    NEW YORK MAGAZINE, CNN’s 9 Most Deplorable Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Moments, By Adam K. Raymond, APR. 15, 2014.
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014...le-flight-370-moments.html?gtm=bottom&gtm=top
     
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    Never called it racist. You just did.
     
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    “So, we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men — most of them radicalized to the right — and we have to start doing something about them,” he continued. “There is no travel ban on them. There is no ban on — you know, they had the Muslim ban. There is no ‘white guy ban.’”
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...-biggest-terror-threat-cnn-wont-address-issue

    Ah, but he did use a qualifier. Radicalized to the right.
     
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    80% of the Central American women brought illegally into this country are raped enroute. It's time to shut down the rape routes and regain control of who enters our country.

    And Don Lemon is a racist idiot.

    When Democrats’ Tactics Backfire.

    “Some leading Democrats haven’t seemed to figure out that the harder they’ve worked to expose, silence, scream at, attack and bully those with whom they disagree, the more they’ve invigorated the other side.”
     
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    There are no such examples. It's the Left that is very comforfortable with anti-semites.

    Don’t join this year’s Women’s March unless you’re good with anti-Semitism.

    “With the Pittsburgh shooting so fresh and anti-Semitism (alas) so necessary a topic, it’s time for a reckoning with the Women’s March. This January, women who say they stand with Jews need to boycott the Women’s March. The first year of the march, it made sense that many otherwise normal people would attend. It was just two months after Donald Trump’s shocking victory. Many were dazed and upset. The march was quickly organized by people whose names were not yet known to everyone. Linda Sarsour is one of the leaders. Articles soon sprang up about terrible comments she made: She supported the radical Muslim Brotherhood. She praised Sharia law, which, among other things, includes second-class status for women. She was open about her fandom of Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam.”
     
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    Well, you would be right, if Trump was talking about ALL illegals, which he wasn't and stated clearly at the end of his remarks how "some are good people". Its amazing how the left are so conveniently ignore that last part when hes talking about illegals, but become hyper focused on the very same language when it came to Charlottesville. Not everyone out protesting the removal of the American statues was a white supremacists, not every one out protesting the protesters were violent ANTIFA, and Trump acknowledged that fact by saying some people on both sides were fine people. SOME illegals are good people, but a lot are rapist, murderers, drug traffickers etc.
     
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    He didn't say illegal immigrants are rapist. He said there are rapist among them. JUST ONE of them makes his statement accurate.
     
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    Trump's mangling of the language is important. We're left to interpret his illogical statements, and he leaves lots of room for a variety of interpretations. Adding "some" in a separate sentence does not negate what he said just before that because he said in reference to the illegals, "...they are rapists," not "some" are rapists. In fact, we can interpret his statements to say he thought some illegals, who are rapists are good people. The man clearly does not have a command of his own language. No wonder his lawyers don't want him to answer questions directly.
     
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    Actually, yes he did. When talking about the illegals, he said "...they are rapists...". Then he added another statement and said "some are good people," but without specific reference to any one of the groups he mentioned. According to the logic of the English language, we can interpret him as saying some of those illegal rapists, murderers, and drug dealers are good people.
     
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    Revealing that the media only sees one possible interpretation.
     

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