CO shooter turns out to be LGBTQ+.....

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  1. Buri

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...s-nonbinary-uses-pronounces-defense-rcna58499

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    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — The alleged shooter facing possible hate crime charges in the fatal shooting of five people at a Colorado Springs gay nightclub is nonbinary, the suspect’s defense team says in court filings.

    In several standard motions filed on behalf of Anderson Lee Aldrich on Tuesday, public defenders refer to the suspect as “Mx. Aldrich,” noting in footnotes that Aldrich, 22, is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. The motions deal with issues like unsealing documents and evidence gathering, not Aldrich’s identity and there was no elaboration about it.


    Aldrich, who was beaten into submission by patrons during Saturday night’s shooting at Club Q, was scheduled to appear in court for the first time Wednesday by video from jail. The motive in the shooting was still under investigation, but authorities said Aldrich faces possible murder and hate crime charges.

    Hate crime charges would require proving that the shooter was motivated by bias, such as against the victims’ actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. The charges against Aldrich are preliminary, and prosecutors have not yet filed formal charges. Aldrich is represented by Joseph Archambault, a chief trial deputy with the state public defender’s office. Lawyers from the office do not comment on cases to the media.
     
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    Hmm... I counted at least 6 responses from you that make this case, unfounded, absent any substantive evidence, just you asserting it. Make this 7. Gullible? how so? The PD certainly found it credible enough to file the court filings this way. You suggested he wasn't lying. And yet, he would have to be lying given the relationship of the PD with the courts. And when directed to go attack the PD for the filing, you demurred. Laughable.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Again, you have asserted this, and you've said it's a lie, because, well, feelz, and you're an expert. got it...LMAO...
     
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    There isn't anything here that supports that he is non-binary other than his claim made after the shooting.

    The media and his attorney aren't lying. They are just relaying his claim.

    Infact, he changed his name a few years ago, but kept a male name. So we know that at least at that point, he must have considered himself cis.
     
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    It is absolutely amazing to me how so many people, after hearing of this "non-binary" claim, are pursuing the "he's trying to get out of hate crime charges" narrative. The reason it's so shocking to me is that the aforementioned narrative implies preference for the political charge of "hate crime" over the criminal charge of "murder"! How have we managed to come to a place in this nation where the pursuit of political prosecutions is considered to be MORE important than the pursuit of criminal prosecutions?

    The criminal code is based on humanitarian principles. We charge based on material damage to others and there must be a human component to that damage. The political prosecutions, however, are based on ideological disagreement and any "harm" caused is intellectual rather than material. How have we come to the point where actual physical harm is LESS important than physical harm? How long can we last as a nation if THAT has become the basis for assessing damages?
     
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    the extraordinary claim was that the photos of a random person dressed as cheerleader prove anything. further evidence would be required either way.
     
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    Liberals: Ignoring someone's sexual identity and providing gender-affirming support results in people being dying.

    Also liberals: We're ignoring this person's sexual identity. *La la la la la I can't hear you.*
     
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    there are probably more of them than you think. who would have thought rev talwell jr .........
     
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    All good questions but I fear you know the answer, as most of us do.
    You have an entire generation who believes their feelings somehow became our responsibility, offending them became hate speech, and you are racist depending on the current claim of the day you don't agree with. They believe the government is the answer to every problem they have, the constitution is just an old racist document that needs to be torn up, and being conservative is a danger to democracy.

    So how do you deprogram these individuals who are so ignorant of history and justice warriors of the woke left? Unfortunately you don't. They will continue to breed more and more entitled brats until one day, they get their wish and become impoverished slaves of their own request. And still won't get it.
     
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    You have to put yourself in the mindset of a far-left extremist. In their view, someone who identifies as non-binary is a victim of society, and that should be taken into account when addressing their behavior. It mitigates most of their wrongs since they act out in response to oppression. Their behavior is society's fault, and society must front the blame.

    But, at the same time, this person killed a lot of LGBT individuals, which is sacrilegious, and there must be full accountability. So the end result is, "we refuse to accept that this person is non-binary. But, if you disagree with any other non-binary's self-proclamation, you are responsible for suicides and are actively killing people.

    Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
     
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    ????? Ok, where do you get the idea that he is straight?
     
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    This is why I can’t stand hate crime charges, what difference dies it make now? The guy is going to prison for life, what are they going to do, tag on more years after that? Plus I can’t imagine many murders not being committed because of hate.
     
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    If he's a member of the LBGBT community, a charge that this was a hate crime would not stick. It would be like accusing a black man who kills a black man of racism.

    And to be clear, I have no idea if it's true and don't really care if he's conservative or crazy or both.
     
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    Considering how much mental illness there is in the LGBT+ community, is it that surprising? It shouldn’t be.
     
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    The question was having been cited from the shooter's online postings referring to themselves in this manner, but hey, removed from the inter webs.. how convenient.
     
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    I think, still, that the real squabble here is that some politically minded pundits on the left wanted very much for this crime to be assignable to conservative america. And the sad truth is that it really isn't. And a lot of air time, and wasted paper are going to go into trying to paint this as a "conservative" who hates. What I would suggest is dude whether they are he/him or they/them, chose the target because it was soft, and unlikely to be a place where they would get hurt during their murder. You are absolutely correct here. The murder is the problem. Not anything else. And the lesson here is that unarmed, but trained folks beat the snot out of our would be liberal media darling and that was unexpected. It gives me hope to know there are still folks out there who will step up and engage when it's needed. The abject lesson of using the perp's own weapon to beat him with, is particularly heart warming for me.

    Thank God that this wasn't done to the perp by a cop. If it had, this would have become the LGBTQ+ version of George Floyd and the entire lefterati would be hysterically demanding "justice" for this ******.
     
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    Perhaps non-binary people hate binary people.
     
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    Maybe its non-binary hate of the binary. Transgender hate of the cisgendered. T hate of the LGB without the T crowd.
     
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    Yeah, non binary and gender fluid is even more absurd than the transgender. With the transgendered its argued that their biological sex doesnt match with their mental conception of their selves within their mind. As if a Dr can misgender an infant as gender stable when they are instead gender fluid. Or misgender an infant as being male or female when they are neither.
    For these post modernist, reality is irrelevant and only peoples perception of reality is the concern. Combined with an unreasonable belief that peoples perceptions can be molded to believe anything they like. Fortunately it seems to only work on about half of us.
     
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    Liberal morality/logic 101- the only reason that a liberal anything acts out or commits crime, is because of a Republican.

    sorta how, the only reason that Democrat Politicians are traitors to America, is because of nationalism, and American Pride, and people whom believe in God, and people who believe in having famlies is a good thing, and anyone that isn't ok with democrat politicians commiting crime are just sexists, and racists, and everything else in the book. I mean, isn't that what they tell their voters anyways?
     
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    And immediately the lying Woke tried to smear the right for this.

    KNOWN WOLF: FBI Confirms It Got Tip About Colorado ‘Nonbinary’ Mass Shooting Suspect.

    'The disclosure by the FBI creates a new timeline for when authorities were first notified about the suspect as it was believed that he only became known to officials after he made the threat in June of last year.'

    'It’s not clear why Colorado officials dropped charges against Aldrich after he threatened his family members. He was previously charged with felony kidnapping and menacing charges.'

    'During the aforementioned incident, Aldrich had threatened to kill members of his family and allegedly had told them he wanted to be “the next mass killer.” He also said that if a police SWAT crew came inside his Colorado Springs home, he would blow the house up.'

    And the "woke" yell for more disarming of the law abiding when they will not charge felons, they will not disarm felons, and they will not use the red flag laws already on the books.

    It's not about protecting the innocent with the political activist Woke, it's about illegitimately controlling their political opponents.
     
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    Who are you to question how someone identifies?
    Why do you hate non-binaries?
     
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    Are you going to cancel me for calling that dude a dude?
     
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    You avoided my questions:
    Who are you to question how someone identifies?
    Why do you hate non-binaries?
     
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    1. We can all question whatever we want.
    2. Your question is stupid.
     

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