CO2 Does Not Drive Temperature; Temperature Drives CO2

I replied to that in #153. Are those the “earth processes” to which you’re referring?

 

Patrick brown has came out saying that in order to get into scientific journals you have to focus on human causes of climate change rather than the big picture. He’s quite esteemed and it upset many left wing news media with his honesty. But being you don’t care I suppose you don’t want to see the “whole picture” either.

 

I can’t imagine that being true of NOAA, and I doubt he said it as you claim. He may have said that in order to get published in “SOME” scientific journals they have to focus on human causes. But ……

"Scientists and government representatives are meeting in Stockholm this week to produce the latest high-level review of climate change. It's thousands of pages of material, and if it's done right, it should harbor very few surprises.

That's because it's supposed to compile what scientists know — and what they don't — about climate change. And that's left some scientists to wonder whether these intensive reviews are still the best way to go.

This is the work of the authoritative Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is organized by the United Nations and involves more than 800 scientists from around the world.

To be sure, the IPCC's earliest reports helped focus the world on the issue of climate change. The first report came out in 1990, just a few years before nations of the world agreed to a treaty that said human beings should avoid damaging the Earth's atmosphere."

https://www.npr.org/2013/09/24/225472183/how-many-scientists-does-it-take-to-write-a-climate-report

and ……
https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/

 

I believe we shouldn’t damage the earths atmosphere however there a point of inevitability. There natural occurrences as well that are largely undocumented in scientific journals as a major contributor. The study Mr Brown points to is the cause of fire. Fires which are becoming more and more frequent it seems yet there were thing he chose to keep out of his study in order to be published.

here is a quote from an article with an admission from the paper they chose to narrowly look at the problem.

Mr Brown obviously disagrees with this method as do I

 

Sorry. I don’t see the argument here. Here in Oregon we know that changes in precipitation, desiccation of ground litter caused by drought, humidity, wind patterns, vegetation type, and snowpack, are very important and all are determined to a very large extent by temperature. Do you disagree with this?

The “referees” seem to be urging a more thorough analysis which Mr. Brown says is true but burdensome and is covered in his comments/article on temperature.

I don’t understand your statement/objection "he chose to keep out of his study in order to be published.” The “referees” were calling for them to be included!

 

Drought is not brought on by climate change, it is brought on by weather. Same goes for humidity and snowpack. Ground litter is definitely outside the factor of climate change. In fact everything is outside the effects of climate change

 

And the troublesome direction they are going (more drought, more extreme weather, changes in humidity, and reduced snowpack) is the result of climate change and global warming it brings.

When fallen leaves and sticks remain damp, wildfire danger is reduced. When they’re crackling dry, wildfire danger is increased. In our rural areas of western Oregon our yard debris burn season was closed because of dryness. We got lots of rain over the last week or two and a couple of days ago we were able to burn our accumulation of yard debris. Don’t tell me drought and low humidity are inconsequential.

Your idea that climate change affects nothing is laughable.

 

I live just north of the Oregon Border which is why I know that both Washington and Oregon climates are the same now as it was in 1964 when I moved there.

Ever heard of the Koppen Climate Classification LINK?

Mine is BSk which hasn't changed during the entire Interglacial period since that is the bedrock description of the region which is,

B (Dry) S (Semi-Arid or steppe) k (Cold)

• BSk = Cold semi-arid climate

 

Which is around 4% of the yearly total emissions Nature emits the other 96%.

 

I moved here in 1970 and I know the climate has changed. We are getting drier summers, less measurable snowpack, more extreme weather swings, overall reduction in precipitation, and far more wildfires. I hear on local news and weather of more frequent high-temp records being broken and shrinking snowpacks. My wife is a native Oregonian from the Salem area and she sees it and remarks about it.

 

You must be including natural gas, wildfires due to global warming, and other sources used by humans in that 96%. Can you document your numbers?

 

LOL, this has been known for 30 years you still didn't know that not going to bother educating for 300th time.

 

No, you clearly do not understand the Koppen Index since the ENTIRE Western Oregon region is still the same climate group as CSb which hasn't changed it is Weather that changes in irregular fashion in a cyclic pattern.

C (Temperate)

s (Dry summer)

b (Warm summer)

 

When forests are logged or controlled burns are allowed it also reduces fire risk. Global warming has some effect but it’s not as if it’s not manageable in this area unless it is something left unmanaged.

 

Droughts, snowpacks, and famine has all happened long before humans were driving cars and drinking through plastic straws. Utah last year had the largest snowpack it has had ever recorded. Was that from global warming as well? I mean we could probably use the snowpack again so maybe a few more ICE vehicles may help us out.

 

A minor portion.

 

Double edged sword… or catch 22? the Earth has a way of taking care of its self, with or without us.

 

Could you at least TRY to punctuate that so it’s understandable? I think you’re saying you have no proof, no documentation. So then it’s your own personal opinion which should be rejected offhand.

 

Oh, it has changed along with the rest of the country and the rest of the WORLD. You’re just married to bullshit pseudo-science.

 

Of course. But we’re talking about CHANGE. Oregonians who say everything is the same as ever, are a tiny minority of hardcore RWers. ALL OF THEM are RWers. Many who recognize and worry about climate change here are “independents” who don’t care enough about politics to vote, but the know and care about what they’re seeing and experiencing.

Climate change. We’ve been over this on PF before, many times. The fact that you revert back to “global warming” when you want to oppose climate change reveals your bias and lack of objectivity.

 

Heh heh heh. But you can’t list the others.


OF COURSE!!!!!!

 

The fact you can’t point to scientific study rather add hominem proves your lack of objectivity

 

Check NOAA.

 

NOAA? For weather? Lmao. Let me know when it’s 7 day forecast is 100% accurate

 

Yeah, the only ones you want to check are proven climate deniers. No bias there, right?

Let me know when ANYTHING Trump says is accurate.