Comey confirms FBI probe into Trump-Russia collusion

Gowdy was the only one there smart enough and capable enough to get us real information. The 20 people who would have access to that information. I believe this entire case is also wrapped around those 20 people and I'd give them all a subpoena to testify before Congress.

 

You just cited to someone Comey said...while saying that you don't believe anything Comey says.

Do you recognize the disconnect?

 

I'll elaborate for him: Unless it's proven, any words said at this point are heresay. You realize we're working with a lot LESS than what we were working with on the Hillary case. Back then, even with State trying to withhold and delay as much as possible, the government eventually obtained the emails from Hillary's server.

If Hillary's case could be resolved, why not this? Why are we still speculating? I 'speculate'(with as much high confidence as the FBI) that they have nothing and they know they have nothing. They also know the agency would be finished if it reported that. So they're going to keep this alive as long as they reasonably can.

 

Were speculating because it's an ongoing investigation. The FBI has found plenty of smoke, but still need to locate the fire.

 

First of all, the operative word in your first sentence are "at this point".

Second, there is a reason why "we are working with a lot less" than we were working with Hillary. Hillary Clinton's financial information and records were available. Trump's are not, and he has worked very hard and will continue to work very hard to keep it that way.

At this point, I fully expect that when the FBI's investigation is done, several cases are going to be presented to a Grand Jury. One of them may be Trump. I'll wager with high confidence that Steve Bannon, Carter Page and Paul Manafort will make that list. Roger Stone should be there. But he's a pretty slippery sleazy character.

 

They may have found plenty of fire. They just haven't shared it yet.

The cloud of smoke grows thicker by the day.

This is exactly how Watergate evolved.

 

You're completely free to believe whatever you wish to believe. I believe the intelligence agencies are investigating for a solid reason. I believe the facial expressions of Congress members leaving Comey's briefings were strained for a reason. Is there clear and compelling evidence of interference in the election? YES! Have you not been watching the news? Both parties were hacked. Only one had information released. Putin employed internet trolls and used bots to spread disinformation on the internet. This is documented. If the tables had been turned and Clinton had been elected, there were still Russian efforts to undermine what would have been her term in office. The intelligence agencies have said that repeatedly. The Russians were most definitely trying to hurt Clinton first, and benefit Trump second, as the IC has stated repeatedly. If you're basing your skepticism on the idea that Comey's conclusion of Russia helping Trump is simply based on "trying to hurt Clinton means he was helping Trump," you're not taking other facts into consideration. There are more. Did you listen to Schiff's opening statement at Comey's hearing? If not, I suggest you Google.

I'm following the events and background information, as it comes out. If you want to dismiss the conspiracy as partisanship wolves attacking, can you explain to me why the Trump campaign made one single change to the RNC platform, and that change was to not sell weapons to Ukraine? Why was that important to the Trump team, enough to push the change through the RNC platform? Why did the Trump campaign deny they made that change, when they most certainly did? While there are lots of other odd incidences that all seem to have the common thread of Russia, just explain that one item to me in a way that doesn't show collusion. Trump didn't even know Putin had been in Ukraine, so why did he care about that plank in the RNC platform enough to have it be the sole change? Since that happened at the RNC, and the FBI investigation began immediately after that, as did the release of DNC emails on Wikileaks, the incidences seem related. What is your argument for the RNC platform change otherwise? Do you not see anything odd in Manafort being named campaign chairman shortly before the RNC convention and leaving shortly afterwards, and the platform change? I think the RNC platform change is the smoking gun. There is absolutely no reason for the platform change, unless it was done as a quid pro quo on releasing damaging information on Clinton to help Trump. JD Gordon and Carter Page have both changed their statements on the platform change to say that the instruction to do so came directly from Trump. Explain that one.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jd-gordon-trump-adviser-ukraine-rnc-2017-3
https://www.palmerreport.com/opinio...behind-russia-conspiracy-gop-convention/1781/

 

You may also want to ask why they tried to deny that they were behind that change to the GOP Platform while you're at it!

 

Maybe because what we've learned in related attempts of arming gureilla's that it doesn't really work out well for US Policy? Though it definitely could have been more broadbased in that case than simply making a statement on not arming Ukraine.

 

A story is breaking right now that says Trump and his aides were surveilled....Incidental? It's just breaking have not heard much yet

It's coming from House Intel Chairman.

 

Pretty shaky language on it though…

 

Ya, for sure. I bet a lot of this centers around Mike Flynn and his contacts and activity with Turkey and with Russia. Not sure it was actually on Trump and collusion, per se, but more of wondering what Mike Flynn was up to. We'll know more later...maybe.

 

That does not make any sense.

There is no reason whatsoever to think that Ukranian nationalists defending their country from Russian incursion are going to go into the terrorism business. I realize that you don't know much about history, but this struggle has gone on in one way shape or form since the Russians conquered the Ukraine in 1453 (and probably before that).

I already addressed your incorrect claim that terrorism originated with our arming of the mujahadeen in another post.

You really shouldn't waste your time trying to think up excuses for this crowd. They're not worth it.

 

While surveiling Russian spies our intel could have listened in on traitors from Trump's campaign or Trump himself colluding with them.... Good work if you ask me...Keep it up.

 

I should probably add that Manafort wasn't paid by the Trump campaign while acting as campaign manager, so apparently he did the job for free. Manafort has been making $10MM a year for many years, but decided to volunteer to work for Trump. Odd indeed.

 

"House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January."

I thought the investigation started in July? It's looking more and more like Trump WAS wire tapped.

Edit: Link:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...igence-community-surveillance-nunes-says.html

 

Old news but my response suddenly changed since I'm watching Rep. Nunes live on Fox News right now and some new information has surfaced. Kinda start looking that there was surveillence being conducted on the President-elect Trump's "transition team" and it has nothing to do with the Russians. Nunes exact words, "troubling."

For the layman...Trump may be right about being wiretapped.

"Wiretapped" not being the right word to use but when tweeting you only have 140 characters to play with but there seems that some snooping and pooping was being conducted at the Trump Towers. And the "unmasking" or revealing Gen. Flynn's name was a major mucho grande felony.

 

That's right! I had actually forgotten that. It WAS odd, even at the time. But odd, seems to be the norm in Trumpworld.

 

What makes you think it had nothing to do with the Russians? Nunes described the survaillance as "incidental collection". He specifically referred to collection of information regarding communication between a US citizen (presumably a member of the Trump transistion team, and a foreign government.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-trump-surveillance-obama-236366

 

Today must be Odd Day. Nunes has lost his mind, took intel to Trump before taking it to his committee, revealed classified information that there were multiple FISA warrants, and tainted any findings from his investigation. The only good thing about it is they are going to have to have an independent investigation now, because Nunes has shown his partisan stripes.

Schiff dropped a bomb too, when he said there is more than circumstantial evidence of collusion.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/schiff-russia-trump-collusion-236386

 

You continually need to be reminded about the project UMBRAGE. Some wise people came up with a saying knowledge is power.

UMBRAGE Program Allows The CIA To Plant Digital ‘Fingerprints’ To Blame Other Countries For Attacks

http://thedailycoin.org/2017/03/08/...digital-fingerprints-blame-countries-attacks/

Incidentally, how on earth can you take any of those selective leaks seriously? They can be tampered with, taken out of context of a full conversation to fit someone's nasty agenda etc...I hate to tell you but it appears that the USA is turning into the Soviet Union. We didn't fight the Soviet Union for the USA to turn into one.

 

Pompous git!

 

Wouldn't this fit the DNC and what they were doing? When is Comey going to speak on that?

 

Sorry but guess you didn't actually watch he hearings where they both declined to answer many, many questions. Where do you come up with nonsense like they face jail time for not saying that there was no evidence to support the claim of wiretapping Trump Tower.

 

No, and if you can't understand the difference, there's not much to tell you.