Comparing the college scene, May 1970 with April 2024.

ToughTalk · May 4, 2024

Golem said: ↑

It's odd that people would call for the destruction of Israel by saying they want peaceful coexistence. So, in your scenario, when they say "stop the slaughter of Palestinians!" do they mean "kill them all!"? Or please explain how it works when protesters say one thing and, according to you, they expect that to accomplish the opposite?
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Jesus Christ don't tell me we have to explain what river to the sea means

Zorro · May 4, 2024

JohnHamilton said: ↑

To refresh the old guy’s memories and to acquaint those who were born after 1960, in May of 1970 Richard Nixon ordered an invasion of Cambodia. His strategy was to root out staging and hiding areas which the North Vietnamese were using to attack the Americans and “Arvin” (South Vietnamese Army) in the South.

The American colleges exploded. There were massive student demonstrations and many calls “to shut down the universities to open them up to the community.” The University of Delaware, where I was a Junior at the time, closed down for a couple of days. Naturally students who supported the war were angry that they were losing the class time, for which they had paid tuition. There were a fair number of comparisons that could be made to the current demonstrations.

What were the differences?

· Vietnam was a civil war between the North and the South. To the people in Vietnam, it probably seemed like the west was trying to continue the colonization which had existed since the 19th century.

· For the U.S. officials, it was one more phase in the strategy to contain communism. Many believed in “the domino theory” that the fall of the Vietnam would lead to the fall of the rest of Southeast Asia to communism.

· Many college men were of draft age and did not want to be pulled in the conflict.

· Some believed, including a college professor who had considerable influence over me, that Vietnam was the wrong place to draw the line. The important are was Western Europe.

· The hardcore leftist students endorsed the North Vietnamese and supported the spread of Maoist communism. Many of them supported the Russian Communists, but them to be a bit “stodgy.” They also the communist Cuban Revolution.

What about today?

· The Israel – Hamas situation is a sort of civil war. The Palestinians did elect the Hamas Government, whose policy has been to arm for a conflict with Israel. The goal is to end the Jewish state. Hamas as spent much of the humanitarian funds they have received to fortify Gaza.

· The most idealist of students support the Palestinian civilians and hate the fact that they are caught in the middle of the Israeli response to the massacres of October 7. This is the basis for their call for a ceasefire.

· The radicals are calling for the Palestinians to put an end the State of Israel and push them from “The river to the sea.” They support Hamas and deny that the events of October 7 happened and state that those actions were justified.

· There are calls for “ the two state solution” where Israel gives up territory to create a Palestinian homeland carved out of Israeli territory. For the record, this has been tried, but radicals within the Palestinian movement have long held that the only solution is “river to the sea.” They have sabotaged whatever “two state solutions” which might have been possible.

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Dems thought they were going to whip up an election year of riots and use this as an issue to help FJB rig another election, but then they saw the polls and now they are sending in the police, that they previously defunded, to shut down the Hamas Campus Rioters.

Americans, in overwhelming numbers, want Israel to finish the job in Gaza. Israel will, when they are ready.

The Jewish People are deeply moral, the Gazan strategy of using Gazans as cannon fodder to protect their terrorists and conceal their hostages, while very difficult, is not impossible. Israel has done a superior job avoiding collateral damage than even we Americans did when we cleaned out Mosul, and we did the best job, at the time, ever done by an modern fighting force.

https://www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-68888299
Tents appear in Gaza as Israel prepares Rafah offensive - BBC
Apr 24, 2024 'Satellite images show two new tent encampments in southern Gaza as reports suggest Israel's military is preparing for an offensive in the city of Rafah. Rafah, by the border with Egypt.'

The Gazans that are willing to save themselves will have a place to get to, and as soon as those accommodations are ready for the Gazans that wish to get to safety, I expect that that the Rafah offensive will commence, bringing this war much closer to a close.

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