Get it through your head. There is no getting anywhere in this particular forum, the overall forum, indeed, in America at this moment in history. That's the problem. Now, if you enjoy getting nowhere well then this is for you. Enjoy.
Speak for yourself. I've had productive conversations with a number of members. Now...if you never get anywhere on this forum it begs the question....why do you continue to post here?
Gun control is not new in Boston. What was the crime rate before severe gun control laws were imposed on the people of Boston?
NYC has always had ineffective severe gun control laws. In a town where the median home value is now $1 million "diversity" takes on a whole new meaning - doesn't it? "But in the past five years, the problem of rising vacancies and monotony has actually gotten worse. It would be one thing if New York were simply trading eccentricity for accessibility—that is, knocking down fusty establishments to build new apartments with affordable housing. But the median home value in Manhattan is still over $1 million." CITY LAB, How Manhattan Became a Rich Ghost Town, New York’s empty storefronts are a dark omen for the future of cities., BY DEREK THOMPSON OCT 15, 2018. https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/10/how-manhattan-became-rich-ghost-town/573025/
NYC has very effective gun control as evidenced by their low crime and low gun death rates. It is the most prosperous and diverse city in America with 8 million people....and the vast majority are not millionaires. Lol
dyad said: ↑ 1. Crime was high in NYC under strict gun control. 2. When did Hawaii impose strict gun control, and when did crime there drop and how much? 3. Canadian cities have more crime than NYC. 4. In the EU criminals receive free hand grenades when they buy their sub-machine guns. I am surprised you would mention the EU in the aftermath of the Strasburg slaughter. 5. Japanese criminals seem to prefer more exotic weapons like sarin. 6. Reports of crime reductions often prove to be Fake News. For instance: "Correction: January 4, 2018 An earlier version of this article mischaracterized the crime rate in Victoria State over the past five years. It has risen nearly 20 percent, not fallen nearly 20 percent." NEW YORK TIMES, Australia’s Prime Minister Warns of ‘Gang Violence’ by African Migrants, By Adam Baidawi, Jan. 4, 2018. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/world/australia/gang-violence-melbourne-turnbull.html >> 1. So far no evidence that gun control has ever reduced crime in NYC. 2. IOW, you have no evidence that gun control has ever reduced crime in Hawaii. 3. Canada and NYC both have severe gun control laws. Why does Canada have more crime? 4. True about the EU and hand grenades, if we can believe the BBC. "The devices are easily obtained, says Reine Bergland of Stockholm police. They can be bought from gangs for just a couple of hundred Swedish kroner (about £20). "Sometimes when they buy weapons they get grenades as part of the deal. They throw in a couple of hand grenades, so to speak." BBC, Sweden's deadly problem with hand grenades, 18 April 2018. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43667367 5. How many Japanese died by killing themselves? 6. So far, no evidence that gun control has reduced crime in NYC, or anywhere else.
Long gun/handgun State permit required to purchase? Yes Yes MA Ch. 140 Sec. 129C Firearm Identification (FID) or license to carry required. Owner license required? Yes Yes MA Ch. 140 Sec. 129C Firearm Identification (FID) or license to carry required. License required for concealed carry? N/A Yes MA Ch. 140 Sec. 131 Massachusetts is a "may issue" state for carry; the issuing authority must provide written explanation for the denial of any application, which is subject to appeal. The issuing authority is the local police chief for most jurisdictions, who has discretion in issuing carry licenses based on an applicant's suitability and stated need. In most jurisdictions, applicants who pass a background check and complete required training are issued licenses, but the issuing authority may impose varying degrees of restriction on the license (e.g., hunting, carry to/from a range, firearms dealer, or gunsmith, only while on-duty (for security professionals), etc.). Towns closer to large cities (like Boston) are de facto restricted, whereas more rural (and some suburban) towns are more inclined to issue unrestricted licenses. Permits are valid statewide, provided the license-holder complies with restrictions (if any) imposed by the issuing authority. License required for open carry? N/A Yes An individual with a Class A unrestricted license to carry firearms (LTC-A) does not have to conceal a handgun in public. Moreover, in 2013, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled that the holder of a LTC-A license is not responsible for alarm caused by licensed carry of a handgun, and that a permit cannot be revoked for suitability purposes under these circumstances.[3] If police demand to see the permit, it must be produced, per G.L. c. 140, § 129 (c). Failure to produce a LTC upon demand by law enforcement is probable cause for arrest. Open carry of long guns is prohibited, except while hunting. State preemption of local restrictions? No No There is limited preemption for some laws. Assault weapon law? Yes Yes A two point "banned features" system is what defines an assault weapon. These assault weapons are prohibited unless lawfully owned on or prior to September 13, 1994. Firearms that do not have two or more "banned features" are legal to purchase with an LTC or in some cases a standard FID so long as magazine restrictions are followed to what your license allows. Magazine Capacity Restriction? Yes Yes MA Ch. 140 Sec. 121 Illegal to possess magazines of over 10 rounds capacity. Pre-ban magazines manufactured before September 13, 1994 are exempt from this restriction. NFA weapons restricted? Yes Yes MA Ch. 140 Sec. 131 Suppressors are restricted only for law enforcement or licensed manufacturers. Some destructive devices are banned at the state level, while others are banned at a local level. DD's can be completely illegal or legal depending on what town you live in. SBR's, SBS's, and AOW's are allowed with proper approval from the ATF. A machine gun license is required to possess a machine gun. Background checks required for private sales? Yes Yes MA Ch. 140 Sec. 128A The seller must verify the buyer's Firearm Identification Card with the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services. Red flag law? Yes Yes A judge may issue an order to temporarily confiscate the firearms of a person who appears to be at risk of harming themselves or another person.
Why cant you find me that large city with lax gun laws and low gun deaths. Isnt it strange that one does not exist? Gun control works
You have had what you ask for presented, but you reject any legitimate examples because....well, because. No, it doesn't.
Check out any large city in Texas. When you compare their gun death rates with their gun laws the rate seems low.
So people can own guns in Boston. I obviously knew that because I lived in Boston and owned guns the entire time I live there.
Possessing the financial well being sufficient enough to comply with burdensome paperwork requirements does not mean anything.
How fortunate for yourself. Others, however, are not so fortunate. https://professional-troublemaker.c...mpossible-to-get-a-gun-license-in-nyc-part-i/ I gathered all the forms together, went down to “1 Police Plaza” — the NYPD headquarters in lower Manhattan, and was promptly told I could not apply because I didn’t have an ID card issued by the New York DMV. Apparently a Florida driver’s license, a social security card, and a U.S. passport were insufficient to prove who I am, even though all of those are sufficient to get the New York DMV to give me an ID card. But, no problem. A New York ID lasting for 8 years turns out to be a $12 investment. My complete, “accepted” (as in, they were willing to consider it) application is pictured above: 1 three-page application, 1 letter of necessity, 1 letter explaining any checkboxes you may have checked that need explanation (Ever had a speeding ticket? That needs to be explained!), 1 letter from your roommate approving of your license or an affidavit that you have no roommate (My 2nd Amendment rights are contingent on my roommate’s permission?), 1 affidavit from someone willing to take possession of my guns if I die, 2 photos, 1 New York ID, 1 U.S. passport, 1 social security card, and $429.75. Oh, and a copy of my business tax return. Business tax return? In order to apply to carry a firearm in New York City, you must provide a business reason. This seems likely to be ruled unconstitutional if challenged today in light of the new Supreme Court rulings, but I happen to run a business for which I have the necessity to get a gun license: I am a civil rights advocate, I need a license to exercise my civil rights, and thanks to your donations over the last 5+ years, I file a business tax return annually. The application also asks a lot of extremely personal and seemingly irrelevant questions. Have you ever been fired from a job? Taken a sedative medication or pain killer (you’re checking yes if you’ve ever had surgery)? Testified before Congress? The NYPD wants to know. If your answer to any of the above is yes, add that to your explanation form next to your speeding ticket explanation. For all of these questions, I checked no box and explained on the form that I refuse to answer because they are irrelevant. But, apparently that’s good enough to get the app in processing. After everything is paid for, fingerprints are taken (included in that $429.75 fee, which, by the way, is non-refundable if you are denied a license, and lasts for only 2 years assuming you do). A few days later (shockingly promptly), I get a letter from the officer assigned to examine my case: Corbett Gun License App Reply (.pdf) The reply is a request for *25* more documents that the NYPD needs to complete my application. Some of the highlights include: 3 letters of recommendation, notarized and signed by people who know you for at least 5 years but are not family members The original court records for any of those speeding tickets you listed on your application A letter from your doctor describing your mental illness (funny, since I checked “no” on the “is a doctor treating you for a mental illness” box on the app) 6 months of bank withdrawal slips Pictures of your business, inside and out A whole lot of tax records I’m really good at paperwork, so I compiled everything (or explained why I cannot, or will not, be getting them a particular document). The letter says that once I do that, I should call Police Officer Thomas Barberio. So I called. And I called. And I called… No less than 10 times on 7 different days. Officer Barberio is, it seems, never around. So I sent a fax. No reply. For Part II of my journey, I head back to 1 Police Plaza to see if we can find Officer Barberio or his supervisor. Stay tuned.
Yes, but your question was on the stricter laws that people of Massachusetts have to suffer through as compared to other states, like Vermont.
