Castro/Cuba are not Latin American. I can provide a long list of deeply unpleasant murderers trained by the USA at Fort Benning if you like, along with their crimes.
You quoted a partial post which was "Afghanistan protected the planners of 911.." to which you then stated out of the blue that KSM was not in Afghanistan but rather Pakistan. If you did not mean that he was a planner of 911 then why did you only quote part of my post and then single out one particular terrorist who was known as the architect of 911? Just pulling names out of a hat to reply to randomly cut out pieces of others posts? It doesn't matter. You are claiming KSM was the mastermind, and that that Afghanistan protected him. You have to prove that. You guys keep demanding proof from me because you cannot prove your own claims, but I am not the one making claims about who was behind 9/11 at the top level. I fully admit I don't know that. The closest I've reached, in my research, is Mohammed Atta, who was the lead hijacker. But even that is tenuous.[/QUOTE]
Strange. When I mentioned that the Taliban were protecting the planners and executors of 911 you then stated KSM was in Pakistan. Why did you link the planning to KSM if not because you believe he planned it? I didn't, you are claiming I said this so when you get your act together and figure out what I said then get back to me. I wanted proof as you stated when confronted with the fact that Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan and wanted for terrorists acts other than 911 as well as a UNSC Chapter 7 Resolution demanding that Osama Bin Laden be turned over to the appropriate authorities that KSM was in Pakistan so you must know he planned 911 otherwise you would have remained silent on this.
He is indicted for terrorist acts and was a member of Al Qaeda which by the way, is a terrorist organization. I suppose you might be unaware but being a member of a terrorist organization is illegal and meeting with terrorists and not reporting same is an offense. Best justice is to deny him the platform to spew his Jihad Qutbist nonsense and to remain in a hole for the rest of his life. Obama the moron. It seems a five year trial in NYC was too much even for him to stomach. And my point is still valid - it doesn't matter. He's in a hole where he belongs and is never getting out. I simply asked you as when the planner of 911 came up you immediately came up with him so what do you know that I don't?
Their leaders? Who took power by force, maintained that power through force and state terror, and perpetrated the most atrocious of human rights abuses including mass murder as a matter of policy? It takes a truly disturbed individual to wish for the likes of Saddam Hussein, the Baath, and the Taliban to still be in power. The overwhelming majority of civilian deaths were not caused by coalition forces, and the millions claim made by Lancet is debunked propaganda based on methodology so flawed that the author of said report was suspended, sanctioned, and John Hopkins won't even release it for peer review. There is no civil war in Iraq there is the remnants of AQ in Mesopotamia, hate to break it to you but the democratically elected government of Iraq whose elections were certified as free and fair by UN and independent observers is in no danger of collapsing. Sucks to be on the wrong side of history eh?
Abject nonsense. Training people to kill the enemy is not the same thing as training them to commit mass murder, the assertion that international military cooperation makes us culpable for the crimes of some of the people who trained at one of our military schools is baseless, unless of course you can provide evidence that their crimes were conducted at the directive of the U.S. government. I guess mass murderers and thugs are only acceptable if they were Moscow supported eh? I suppose you would have rather had totalitarian ideology based Communist thugs win the power struggle in Latin America so that instead of the mostly liberal democracies we see now in the overwhelming majority of Latin American states we would have little Stalinist throwbacks like Castro's Cuba.
The guilt of KSM is unquestionable thanks to the capture of his laptop and various other documents: Paragraph a. On the morning of 11 September 2001, four airliners traveling over the United States were hijacked. The flights hijacked were: American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines Flight 77, and United Airlines Flight 93. At approximately 8:46 a.m., American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center, resulting in the collapse of the tower at approximately 10:25 a.m. At approximately 9:05 a.m., United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, resulting in the collapse of the tower at approximately 9:55 a.m. At approximately 9:37 a.m., American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the southwest side of the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. At approximately 10:03 a.m., United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in Stoney Creek Township, Pennsylvania. These crashes and subsequent damage to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon resulted in the deaths of 2,972 persons in New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Paragraph b. The Detainee served as the head of the al Qaida military committee and was Usama bin Laden's principal al Qaida operative who directed the 11 September 2001 attacks in the United States. Paragraph c. In an interview with an al Jazeera reporter in June 2002, the Detainee stated he was the head of the al Qaida military committee, Paragraph d. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained information about the four airplanes hijacked on 11 September 2001 including code names, airline company, flight number, target, pilot name and background information, and names of the hijackers. Paragraph e. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained photographs of 19 individuals identified as the 11 September 2001 hijackers. Paragraph f. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a document that listed the pilot license fees for Mohammad Atta and biographies for some of the 11 September 2001 hijackers. Paragraph g. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained images of passports and an image of Mohammad Atta. Paragraph h. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained transcripts of chat sessions belonging to at least one of the 11 September 2001 hijackers. Paragraph i. The Detainee directed an individual to travel to the United States to case targets for a second wave of attacks. Paragraph j. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained three letters from Usama bin Laden. Paragraph k. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained spreadsheets that describe money assistance to families of known al Qaida members. Paragraph I The Detainee's name was on a list in a computer seized in connection with a threat to United States airlines, United States embassies and the Pope. Paragraph m. The Detainee wrote the bojinka plot, the airline bomb plot which was later found on his nephew Ramzi Yousef s computer. Paragraph n. The bojinka plot is also known as the Manila air investigation. Paragraph o. The Manila air investigation uncovered the Detainee conspired with others to plant explosive devices aboard American jetliners while those aircraft were scheduled to be airborne and loaded with passengers on their way to the United States. Paragraph p. The Detainee was in charge of and funded an attack against United States military vessels heading to the port of Djibouti. Paragraph q. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a letter to the United Arab Emirates threatening attack if their government continued to help the United States. Paragraph r. During the capture of the Detainee, information used exclusively by al Qaida operational managers to communicate with operatives was found. Paragraph s. The Detainee received funds from Kuwaiti-based Islamic extremist groups and delivered the funds to al Qaida members. Paragraph t. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a document that summarized operational procedures and training requirements of an al Qaida cell, Paragraph u. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a list of killed and wounded al Qaida martyrs. And lastly, Paragraph v. Passport photographs of al Qaida operatives were seized during the capture of the Detainee. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Verba..._Status_Review_Tribunal_Hearing_for_ISN_10024 Ya except for the martyrdom videos of the hijackers, the flight manifests, and the contents of Atta's luggage. The evidence for the perpetrators guilt is found within the results of the FBI's PENTTBOM investigation but being a twoofer I'm not surprised you've never heard of it.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about, the evidence against KSM is overwhelming and has nothing to do with his confessions: Paragraph a. On the morning of 11 September 2001, four airliners traveling over the United States were hijacked. The flights hijacked were: American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines Flight 77, and United Airlines Flight 93. At approximately 8:46 a.m., American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center, resulting in the collapse of the tower at approximately 10:25 a.m. At approximately 9:05 a.m., United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, resulting in the collapse of the tower at approximately 9:55 a.m. At approximately 9:37 a.m., American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the southwest side of the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. At approximately 10:03 a.m., United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in Stoney Creek Township, Pennsylvania. These crashes and subsequent damage to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon resulted in the deaths of 2,972 persons in New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Paragraph b. The Detainee served as the head of the al Qaida military committee and was Usama bin Laden's principal al Qaida operative who directed the 11 September 2001 attacks in the United States. Paragraph c. In an interview with an al Jazeera reporter in June 2002, the Detainee stated he was the head of the al Qaida military committee, Paragraph d. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained information about the four airplanes hijacked on 11 September 2001 including code names, airline company, flight number, target, pilot name and background information, and names of the hijackers. Paragraph e. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained photographs of 19 individuals identified as the 11 September 2001 hijackers. Paragraph f. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a document that listed the pilot license fees for Mohammad Atta and biographies for some of the 11 September 2001 hijackers. Paragraph g. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained images of passports and an image of Mohammad Atta. Paragraph h. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained transcripts of chat sessions belonging to at least one of the 11 September 2001 hijackers. Paragraph i. The Detainee directed an individual to travel to the United States to case targets for a second wave of attacks. Paragraph j. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained three letters from Usama bin Laden. Paragraph k. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained spreadsheets that describe money assistance to families of known al Qaida members. Paragraph I The Detainee's name was on a list in a computer seized in connection with a threat to United States airlines, United States embassies and the Pope. Paragraph m. The Detainee wrote the bojinka plot, the airline bomb plot which was later found on his nephew Ramzi Yousef s computer. Paragraph n. The bojinka plot is also known as the Manila air investigation. Paragraph o. The Manila air investigation uncovered the Detainee conspired with others to plant explosive devices aboard American jetliners while those aircraft were scheduled to be airborne and loaded with passengers on their way to the United States. Paragraph p. The Detainee was in charge of and funded an attack against United States military vessels heading to the port of Djibouti. Paragraph q. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a letter to the United Arab Emirates threatening attack if their government continued to help the United States. Paragraph r. During the capture of the Detainee, information used exclusively by al Qaida operational managers to communicate with operatives was found. Paragraph s. The Detainee received funds from Kuwaiti-based Islamic extremist groups and delivered the funds to al Qaida members. Paragraph t. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a document that summarized operational procedures and training requirements of an al Qaida cell, Paragraph u. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the Detainee contained a list of killed and wounded al Qaida martyrs. And lastly, Paragraph v. Passport photographs of al Qaida operatives were seized during the capture of the Detainee. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Verba..._Status_Review_Tribunal_Hearing_for_ISN_10024
Sorry I meant the whodunnit about the plotting. I already said on this thread I am fully convinced that the hijackers are who the government said they were. - - - Updated - - - KSM was in another guy's house, not his own. The rest of that evidence was a the narrative. How have they tied the computer as belonging to KSM? There is no video or transcript or any record whatsoever about any interview with an Al Jazeera reporter (that reporter admitted he lied about the interview) and yet, those words of KSM are cited in the evidence! That means KSM's words are used as proof! And yet, KSM DENIED the computer belonged to him!!! Meaning it couldn't have because he said so. So which is it? How do you reconcile that? And why don't they just convict him on evidence if this evidence is so great?
Okay. Do you agree with the story that KSM was the "principal architect" of 9/11 and behind it "from A to Z" ?
Whereabouts in Latin America is Cuba? Last time I checked it was in the Caribbean. Of course it may have been moved in the meantime... - - - Updated - - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba
Revealing, with all the evidence, these people just cant bring themselves to believe that Islamic fundamentalists could do such a thing. Their ideology forms their perception of the world in spite of the real world.
The Spanish speaking nations in the Caribbean are part of Latin America as per usual you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about, the image I provided is of Latin America in Green do you really not know the difference between Latin America, Central America, South America, and the Caribbean? Latin America is a region of the Americas where Romance languages (i.e., those derived from Latin) or a subset of the Romance language family – always including Spanish and Portuguese, and sometimes including French – are primarily spoken.[2][3] Latin America has an area of approximately 19,197,000 km2 (7,412,000 sq mi),[4] almost 3.7% of the Earth's surface or 12.9% of its land surface area. As of 2010, its population was estimated at more than 590 million[5][not in citation given] and its combined GDP at 5.16 trillion United States dollars (6.27 trillion at PPP).[6] According to Phelan (1968, p. 296), the term "Latin America" was first used in 1861 in La revue des races Latines, a magazine "dedicated to the cause of Pan-Latinism". Latin America is made of 3 regions, South America, Caribbean, and Middle America (Mexico, Central America and the West Indies are together sometimes called Middle America). Latin America lies in the Western Hemisphere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America Run along now.
Those 19 hijackers names were all listed on his computer. Oh so the 9-11 mastermind was the guy who owned the house that KSM was staying in? Are you serious? Regardless you don't have a clue what you're talking about the original ISI report that he was captured at the home of bin al-Shibh is false: It was in his possession when he was captured and regardless there is generally mounds of evidence to the owner of a laptops identity contained within the laptop itself and considering that KSM left all the information regarding the 9-11 attacks on the hard drive I doubt that he bothered to cleanse his personal records from the computer, it's called digital forensics. The exact contents of the computer have not been released for public consumption only the details of what was on the computer but that is to be expected as that is the case in every single murder trial ever involving digital forensics in which a verdict has not yet been reached And I guess it's just a coincidence that the hard drive captured in Ramzi Yousef's (KSM's nephew) room 603 directly tied KSM to the Bojinka plot through a communication on the laptop signed Khalid Shaikh + Bojinka. What interview? What are you talking about? So now you've moved on from "no forensic evidence" against KSM to a debate on the trustworthiness of KSM's words??? They will, but it's called due process, the trial began in May of 2012, the trial is still not the longest murder trial in U.S. history that would be the trial of the hillside strangler.
Khalid was the architect of the plan to hijack several planes from both east and west coast and fly them into targets. Bin laden limited it to just the east coast targets, Bin Laden gave him permission to proceed and provided financing, Bin Laden selected the hijackers. Khalid arranged the travel plans for the hijackers, Mohammad Atef and Ramzi bin al-shibh seems to be the one who directed the hijackers. And have no reason to disbelieve Yosri Fouda who interviewed Khalid and asked
You made up that last bit about the reporter admitting he lied. But we understand why you need to make the stuff up.
I didn't say anything about 9/11. I was talking about the Iraq Liberation Act which pre-date 9/11 by about 3 years, predated the election of Bush by 2. It in and of itself was an act of war against Iraq. Yes he did that too. How did you propose fighting it?
