Congress overides Trump Veto for first time

REMINDER: Democrats Have Objected to Electoral Vote Certification For the Last 3 GOP Presidents.

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Democrats are outraged that Republicans are planning on objecting to the certification of electoral votes. It’s “conspiracy and fantasy,” whines Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

“The effort by the sitting president of the United States to overturn the results is patently undemocratic,” the New York Democrat grumbled. “The effort by others to amplify and burnish his ludicrous claims of fraud is equally revolting.”

“This is America. We have elections. We have results. We make arguments based on the fact and reason—not conspiracy and fantasy,” he groused.

There’s only one problem with Chucky’s “argument based on fact and reason.” Democrats have been challenging the electoral vote certification for two decades.

Illinois Senator Dick Durbin is even more incensed at Senator Josh Hawley’s plan to object to the Electoral College vote.

Wimpering Durbin:

Brave Sir Dick seems to forget he was singing a different tune in 2005. Then, it was Democrats questioning the results of the Ohio vote, which went narrowly for George Bush.

Durbin had words of praise for Boxer then:

Rumors and conspiracy theories swirled around the outcome on election night that saw Bush winning Ohio by a close, but the surprisingly comfortable margin of 120,000 votes. So why are so many of these headlines familiar to us today?

Mother Jones: “Recounting the Election: Was Ohio stolen?”

New York Times: “Glitch Found in Ohio Counting”

They even included some voting machine controversies.

National Election Defense Coalition: “PARTISAN TECHNOLOGY FIRM IS IMPLICATED IN JOHN KERRY’S IMPLAUSIBLE LOSS IN OHIO 2004

NBC News: “Machine Glitch Gave Bush Extra Ohio Votes”

May a pigeon with above average aim be in their future.

 

We have not been quite on debt.

 

It seems to me that the Republicans in congress are coming to realize that by losing the presidential race, Trump's power over them is diminishing pretty darn fast. That Trump doesn't have the power anymore to punish them if they don't toe Trump's line. The election is over, so there is no threat of Trumper's primary them out of their seats. Perhaps a bit of common sense is now returning to those once cowed GOP congress critters.

Once out of office, Trump's influence over republicans and the party as a whole will wane and fade. First slowly, then rapidly. Self preservation has always come first to any and all elected officials. They will hardly ever cross a president who may hold their seats in his hands unless distancing themselves from the president is the only way to retaining their seats. That rarely works. But many have tried it. Trump is now history, his power broken. Perhaps now we can get back to common sense governing, a more normal operation of government, get rid of the chaos and fear Trump inhibited in those of the Republican stripe in congress.

 

You've been an independent longer than I've been alive, you really think A: That they were scared of Trump? And that B: We weren't normal? The histrionics wasn't normal, but this was the most spent Presidential elections ever. The plutocracy is alive and well in Washington to the tune of $600 dollars. Washington didn't change one bit.

 

So what? Two wrongs don't make a right. Do you want to complain to Democrats? By all means, do. Not to me, though. I'm not a Democrat.

 

Why are the Democrats wrong to object, if in fact they object? That's simply the open deliberation that we expect from Congress.

 

Yeah, positive that many GOP congress critters were scared of Trump and his followers. This goes back to the self preservation rule. Now there were many that were Trump sycophants. No doubt. How many, hard for me to tell. But many democrats during Obama went against what their constituents wanted in order to please him also. You're always going to have that. The difference was more or less covert with Obama and out front for everyone to see with Trump. I suppose one could say Trump was much more honest about that.

Now Trump has retained most of his support within the GOP, but many Republican elected officials have seen how independents deserted him both in the midterms and in this year's election. To be successful in 2022, they must win those independents back. The Republican Party is still the smaller of the two major parties, so winning independents is a must for them. The Democrats just have to keep the independent vote close.The good news, although Independents strongly rejected Trump, they didn't reject Republicans down ballot. That should give them something to think about. Down ballot the GOP gained 13 house seats, 2 state legislatures and a governorship. Republican congressional candidates received a higher percentage of the overall vote than Trump did. 48.0% to 46.9% for Trump.

Trump caused most of his own problems. His personality was more a tuned to being a wrestler in the WWE than being president. That turned off quite a lot of independents. He also wasn't going up against an equally disliked candidate in Biden as he did against Hillary in 2016. Independents viewed Hillary as being aloof, elitist and more or a less a fake. They didn't like Trump either, but decided to go with the unknown over the known. In 2020 Trump went up against a very bland, unenthusiastic candidate in Biden. But to independents, Biden was the adult in the room, Trump the spoiled four year old brat who called other names and threw temper tantrums. Bland won independents over an obnoxious man-child so to speak.

Yeah, not much has changed in Washington. A lot of us really don't care that much who is in Charge or which party is in control. What we or I want is more or less divided government where one party doesn't have absolute control. A check on the power of the presidency. No lurches to the left or the right, actually the status quo is alright with me. I'll sum this up by saying most independents, like me are for some and against some things the Republicans do while being for some things and against others that the democrats do. We don't fit into either party's ideology. Perhaps that is why Trump could lose by some 8 million votes, a definite rejection of Trump. But have republicans split fairly even on all down ballot offices, neither a rejection or an endorsement of either party and their ideology or ideals. We wanted Trump gone, but wanted the status quo in congress. At least I did.

 

The threat of the primary has to be the main weapon that the Trumpocity has to keep his slave plantation cowed. Romney is not in a state where are enough Trumpists to successfully Primary him so he has spoken and not only that he did at least vote for one of the charges of impeachment.
A few others have slowly wiggled out of the chains of slavery and maybe just maybe more will some say " FREE, FREE, FREE AT LAST, BY GOD, FREE AT LAST"

 

I would have prefer or prefer that the House be controlled by our Democratic friends but that the Senate be controlled by Conservative Democrats. A few of the lunatic Republicans such as Gomez Pyle Gomert and Crazy Sleeves Jordan need to go. Having the House in rational Republic hands would keep AOC and most of her Merry gang of Robinhood wannabe in permanent time out or House arrest.

 

Did any Democratic Senator join.the stupidity and did the two houses have to meet and debate something that was done legallly. I do not recall such a thing. If it happened then present links and name the Democratic Senator who did force a vote of asinine stupidity as I forgot his name but it sounds like Howl Lee did??

 

Yep. It may take a little time, but once Trump leaves office, his once hold, his power will diminish quickly. You'll always have some who adore him, but for the most part in 6 months to a year after he leaves office, he'll be just another has been.

 

There's a big difference in the house, the democrats had a 236-199 advantage as a result of the 2018 midterms. As of today, it's 222-212 with NY-22 still undecided. Retaking the house in 2022 is a definite possibility as the GOP will need but a net gain of 6 seats.

The senate, I don't know what will happen down here come 5 Jan. I'd say at the moment the 2 democrats have a very slight advantage which if it holds, that's a 50-50 tie with VP Harris casting the deciding vote. It all depends on turnout. Both major parties have their crazies. It would be good if all could go somewhere else. AOC and company may be one reason the GOP was able to gain 13 seats when their presidential candidate lost by around 8 million votes. That is the first time since 1884 where a party's candidate won the popular vote via the presidency and lost house seats. I think a lot of ticket splitters, those who voted for Biden and then Republican down ballot causing the Republicans to pickup seats in the house along with 2 state legislatures and a governorship took AOC and her squad to heart with their defund the police slogan. To them, that slogan meant what it said. Doing away with the police. They said wait a minute here, we like our local police. Hence the ticket splitting on a pretty big scale.

 

"REMINDER: Democrats Have Objected to Electoral Vote Certification For the Last 3 GOP Presidents."

it's sad that we have even come to this, Trump is literally trying to test every loophole possible to keep his power even though he lost the election

the good news is the system is working and Trump is failing to steal the election

 

This is one of those things that I agree with Trumpocity about.

 

Trump will still be able to draw money to political coffers, for at least a few years before he fades.

 

True, even Bill Clinton is good for a fund raiser. He's been out of office for 20 years.