Congress session on UAPs

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  1. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    The US Congress had a UAPs meeting on May 17, 2022. I was a bit surprised that no one started a thread topic about this yet.

    Ok, so we got one new video of a UAP, and that's about it.

    They adjourned and would continue the private Q&A at about noon on that day which was done behind closed doors and a secret from the public so as not to divulge tech & methods.
     
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    I'm a big fan of Ufology, and we in the community have a good sense of the expectation of this UAP meeting. While we in the community are always hopeful for some morsel of honest disclosure, we, being realists, are always skeptical of these congressional hearings. Our expectations were met, which is to say that the whole thing was pretty much a dud as we expected.

    That is why you are not hearing much about it.

    Now, if they released the classified documents, and let us in on the closed sessions, then you'd hear a lot more about it. The truth is, when it comes to UFOs, the government isn't talking.

    And that ought to tell you something.

    However, the Black Vault (the go to site for UFO related documents) released a commentary on it, so go to their website and check it out.
     
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    Now some people in Congress apparently believe that some of these objects are non "man-made."
    Congress implies UFOs have non-human origins
    by Marik von Rennenkampff, Opinion Contributor - 08/22/22 1:00 PM ET
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    In Congress, where legislation is drafted, debated and enacted, clear and concise definitions are of paramount importance. As military aircrews increasingly encounter unidentified flying objects (UFOs), lawmakers recently made several striking revisions to the definition of “UFO.” Key among them: The explosive implication that some UFOs have non-human origins.

    As first reported by researcher Douglas Johnson, a draft bill approved unanimously by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence rebrands UFOs as “unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena.” Expanding the definition to include objects in space and under the oceans significantly broadens the scope of a muscular new office tasked by Congress with investigating UFOs.

    The revised definition of “UFO” also includes “transmedium” objects which, according to lawmakers, “transition between space and the atmosphere, or between the atmosphere and bodies of water.”

    In short, members of a key national security-focused committee believe that objects of unknown origin are demonstrating remarkably advanced technology by moving seamlessly between space, air and water. A report accompanying the legislation notes that “transmedium threats to United States national security are expanding exponentially.”

    It strains credulity to believe that lawmakers would include such extraordinary language in public legislation without compelling evidence. Perhaps members have seen the classified sensor data that prompted former President Trump’s director of national intelligence to state that UFOs exhibit “technologies that we don’t have [and] that we are not capable of defending against” (among several other eyebrow-raising comments).

    Most strikingly, Congress’s new definition of “UFO” excludes “man-made” objects.

    Over the last seven decades, most UFO sightings involved “man-made” objects, such as misidentified aircraft, balloons, satellites or drones. Yet now, according to Congress, “man-made” objects “should not be considered under the definition as unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena.”

    Moreover, in a congressional directive, objects identified by the new UFO office “as man-made…will be passed to appropriate [Department of Defense and Intelligence Community] offices” for further analysis.

    Congress, in short, is forcing the government to focus on objects that are not “man-made.”

    Imagine that the new UFO office identifies a highly advanced drone flying in sensitive airspace. Under the draft legislation, regardless of the drone’s origin – be it Chinese, Russian or otherwise – the UFO office must immediately stop investigating and hand the case over to another government entity.

    This implies that members of the Senate Intelligence Committee believe (on a unanimous, bipartisan basis) that some UFOs have non-human origins. After all, why would Congress establish and task a powerful new office with investigating non-“man-made” UFOs if such objects did not exist?


    Make no mistake: One branch of the American government implying that UFOs have non-human origins is an explosive development.


    It is also part of a remarkable shift in official attitudes towards UFOs.

    In the late 1940s and early 1950s, many senior government officials believed that UFOs had “interplanetary” origins. But a series of still-unexplained encounters in the summer of 1952 sparked Cold War national security fears among defense and intelligence agencies. As a result, the U.S. government initiated a campaign to “debunk” and discredit all UFO sightings, no matter how credible. For decades, officials mocked any suggestion that UFOs had extraterrestrial origins.

    Not anymore.

    In discussions and interviews, NASA administrator Bill Nelson suggested that UFOs encountered by military aircrews in recent years have otherworldly origins. (NASA, it should be noted, is proceeding “full force” on an unprecedented scientific study of UFOs.)

    Former CIA Director John Brennan stated that UFOs might “constitute a different form of life.” According to James Woolsey, a fellow ex-CIA director, “something is going on that is surprising to…experienced pilots.”

    As Top Gun-trained aviators remain convinced that they observed objects “not of this world,” director of national intelligence Avril Haines – America’s top spy – has not ruled out extraterrestrial origins for UFOs.

    Moreover, former President Clinton refers reflexively to the high likelihood of otherworldly life in the universe when asked about UFOs. For his part, former President Obama speculated openly about contact with extraterrestrial life when asked about recent military UFO encounters.

    After the customary giggles and smirks that still accompany any mention of “UFO” died down, both Clinton and Obama adopted a serious, matter-of-fact demeanor when discussing the topic. Clinton, in particular, scolded a television audience for laughing when a host asked him about UFOs. Of note, former presidents continue receiving the government’s most sensitive intelligence briefings.

    Unsurprisingly, this remarkable shift in attitudes towards UFOs is fostering a broader, richer discussion of the phenomenon.

    Comedian and political commentator Bill Maher, for example, recently theorized that UFOs are intentionally revealing themselves to fighter pilots.

    He may be on to something. The geometrically reconstructed flight path of a well-known 2015 UFO encounter off the U.S. East Coast indicates that the object reacted as a Navy fighter jet attempted to sneak up behind it. Importantly, the object’s movement did not suggest hostility as much as a desire to be observed by the aircrew, which ultimately “flew right up to the thing.”

    A UFO involved in the now famous 2004 “Tic Tac” incidents appeared on radar at the precise location of a rendezvous point known only to a small group of aviators and radar operators. Ten years later, two fighter jets nearly collided with a UFO hovering at the exact location and altitude of an entrance point to a military training range.

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    To Maher’s point, some UFOs appear to move and position themselves in ways that make their presence obvious to nearby military aircrews.

    With Congress openly suggesting that UFOs have non-human origins, this behavior is particularly intriguing.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/3610916-congress-implies-ufos-have-non-human-origins/
     
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    If the govt comes out and officially says 'ETs are real', I will consider that certain proof that we're completely alone in the universe ...and another lockdown is on the way.
     
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    I'm more in the camp of these being the product of a humans that broke off from humanity many many centuries ago and are way ahead of us in technology.

    Congress Just Admitted That UFOs Are Not "Man-Made", Says "Threats" Increasing "Exponentially"

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    “...cross-domain transmedium threats to the United States national security are expanding exponentially.

    'Two shocking assertions were just made by Congress, but they were buried deep inside a report that was an addition to the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023. This act is the budget that oversees the United States’ clandestine operations.'

    'Number one is that: “cross-domain transmedium threats to the United States national security are expanding exponentially.”'

    They are threats because they make our technology look caveman in comparison, if they were actually interested in hurting us, I think they would be acting differently.

    'The second reason is that it wishes to differentiate between extraterrestrial craft that originated from humans and those that did not: “Temporary non attributed objects, or those that are positively identified as man-made after analysis, will be passed to appropriate offices and should not be considered under the definition as unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena.”

    'The admission is particularly shocking for a number of reasons, the most important of which is that, as more details concerning the investigation of UFOs by the United States government have been made available to the public, a number of politicians have avoided claiming that the unidentified objects originated from another planet or another dimension.'

    'According to the description provided by the Pentagon, a “cross-domain trans medium” danger is one that may migrate from water to air to space in ways that we are unable to predict or control.'

    US Navy Detects Crafts That Travel ‘Hundreds Of MPH’ Underwater Ahead of Pentagon UFO Report.

    Weird that we can't get decent video of these things.
     
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    UAP's over Ukraine.

    The skies over Kyiv are swarming with unidentified flying objects (UFOs), according to a new report from the Main Astronomical Observatory of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine.

    Of course, given that Russia and Ukraine have been locked in a months-long war that relies heavily on aircraft and drones, it's likely that many of these so-called UFOs are military tools that appear too fleetingly to identify, a U.S. intelligence agency has speculated.

    arXiv, the report — which has not yet been peer-reviewed — describes recent steps that Ukrainian astronomers have taken to monitor fast-moving, low-visibility objects in the daytime sky over Kyiv and the surrounding villages. Using specially calibrated cameras at two weather stations in Kyiv and Vinarivka, a village about 75 miles (120 kilometers) to the south, astronomers observed dozens of objects "that cannot scientifically be identified as known natural phenomena," the report said.

    Government agencies tend to refer to such objects as UAP, short for "unidentified aerial phenomena."

    "We observe a significant number of objects whose nature is not clear," the team wrote. "We see them everywhere."

    The researchers divided their UAP observations into two categories: "cosmics" and "phantoms." According to the report, cosmics are luminous objects that are brighter than the background sky. These objects are designated with birds' names — such as "swift," "falcon" and "eagle" — and have been observed flying solo as well as in "squadrons," the team wrote.

    Phantoms, by contrast, are dark objects, usually appearing "completely black," as if absorbing all light falling onto them, the team added. By comparing observations from the two participating observatories, the researchers estimated that phantoms range from 10 to 40 feet (3 to 12 meters) wide and can travel at speeds of up to 33,000 mph (53,000 km/h). For comparison, an intercontinental ballistic missile can reach speeds of up to 15,000 mph (24,000 km/h), according to The Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation.

    The researchers did not speculate as to what these UFOs may be. Rather, their paper focuses on the methods and calculations used to detect the objects. However, according to a 2021 report from the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), it's likely that at least some UAP are "technologies deployed by China, Russia, another nation, or a non-governmental entity."

    Given the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine, which began in February 2022, it's reasonable to suspect that some UAP described in the new report may be linked to foreign surveillance or military technologies.

    According to the ODNI report, other possible explanations for UAP include "airborne clutter," such as birds and balloons; atmospheric phenomena, such as ice crystals; or classified government projects. Neither the U.S. nor Ukraine reports raise the possibility of extraterrestrial visitors.

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    The U.S. government has openly renewed its interest in UAP investigations since 2017, when several videos taken by U.S. Navy aircraft leaked to the media. The now-infamous videos showed unidentified aircraft moving in seemingly impossible ways, with no explanation.

    The government subsequently declassified the footage and recently revealed that more military footage of UAP encounters does exist, though the Department of Defense (DOD) will not be releasing them due to "national security concerns." Earlier this year, Congress approved funding for the DOD to open a new office focused exclusively on managing reports of UFO sightings by the U.S. military. The authors of the new UAP report out of Ukraine added that the country's National Academy of Science is interested in contributing to this ongoing research.
    https://www.livescience.com/ukraine-ufo-uap-report
    Details here:
     
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    Spineless BS artists think everyone's a total idiot. In 2022 these snake oil salesmen decided the "weather balloon" explanation was so creative back in 1947 they can just go back to it and re-use it. Someone decided that the Pentagon and Congress should step back and deny that any UFO or UAP claim should not be explained as having a potential extra-terrestrial origin so the best thing to do is go back to the handy "weather balloon" stupidity and everyone will just buy that because everything that comes from government is absolute fact and anyone who refuses to accept government propaganda for what it always is is a "conspiracy theorist".

    "official secrecy comes at a cost, allowing conspiracy theories about government lies to thrive unchecked"

    This one is a real dinger:

    "One of the videos, referred to as GoFast, appears to show an object moving at immense speed. But an analysis by the military says that is an illusion created by the angle of observation against water. According to Pentagon calculations, the object is moving only about 30 mph."

    So what they're trying to peddle is that 2022 crackerjack military technology cannot discern reality from an illusion in real time and it takes an "analysis" over a period of months to finally detect that the UAP was really going at 30 MPH. Yeah that would work just fine during a military attack.

    Many Military UFO Reports Are Just Foreign Spying or Airborne Trash

    WASHINGTON — Government officials believe that surveillance operations by foreign powers and weather balloons or other airborne clutter explain most recent incidents of unidentified aerial phenomenon — government-speak for UFOs — as well as many episodes in past years.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-military-ufo-reports-just-124417602.html
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, snap!

    Well, Congress said they didn't want to hear about the UAPs that had a common explanation.

    We'll just have to see how the next defense bill works in this climate. It's supposed to give whistleblower protections to members of the military and intelligence communities with non-disclosure agreements who want to come forward.

    Let's see if there are any new public demonstrations, information, or videos before the usual closed-door session with Congress.
     
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