Congress Tells PP Doc Selling Aborted Baby Body Parts to Appear at Hearing

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  1. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing they do is required to be done by them. All of it can, and should be done through REAL Medical Facilities, and if you cared about real "Womens Health", you'd want them to go there.


    "Accessible" can be done from anywhere Fox, and with the ACA poor women all across the land have NO need of Planned Parenthood for Mammogram referrals. Yet you are trying to hold it up as some offered service that we need to keep them around for.

    Sucks when you dont know what you're talking about and go with the buzzwords and soundbytes that youve been given eh? Face it Fox, there is nothing anyone NEEDS Planned PArenthood around for when it comes to Womens Health.

    Noone needs them for referrals.
     
  2. FoxHastings

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    No one needs them? So all these people going to PP are imaginary? No, YOU may live in a world where all your needs are easily accessible but , here's a shocker, the world isn't all about you, there are OTHER people in it!!!!
    Yes, everything is "accessible" IF IT'S NEAR YOU.....but for some getting NEAR it is difficult....now you have NO understanding of the word accessible so let's not go around in circles.

    Do show how PP ONLY does abortions.........



    Planned Parenthood health centers focus on prevention: 80 percent of our clients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.

    Planned Parenthood services help prevent approximately 516,000 unintended pregnancies each year.

    Planned Parenthood provides nearly 400,000 Pap tests and nearly 500,000 breast exams each year, critical services in detecting cancer.

    Planned Parenthood provides nearly 4.5 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including 700,00 HIV tests.

    Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.

    Planned Parenthood affiliates provide educational programs and outreach to 1.5 million young people and adults each year.

    Planned Parenthood has eight million activists, supporters, and donors working for women's health and safety and our fundamental reproductive rights.
    - See more at: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/abo....3riRMRYo.dpuf




    Please back up your claim that PP isn't a "real" medical clinic. What isn't "real" about it. Oh wait, you haven't backed up a claim yet, silly me....
     
  3. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope, noone needs them at all. Everything you listed is done at real Hospitals and Clinics, and thanks to Obamacare....all these "poor young women" can go to these real medical facilities. No need for the corner abortion mill whatsoever.
     
  4. FoxHastings

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    :) And yet , they are still there :)



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    Time keeps moving on, and tomorrow is always a new day. :)

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  6. FoxHastings

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    As always, you declare yourself the winner ( you have to, no one else would :) )when you have never offered any proof of your claims......whine on and see how soon abortion ends...:)
     
  7. Yosh Shmenge

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    The term parasite was used by a pro choicer just recently in a reply to me. I couldn't make something like that up.
    As for your definition I doubt anyone could claim a fetus is nourished "at the host's expense".



    The context of the point was how one could get PP out of the killing business.
    It's been pointed out over and over again that money given by the taxpayer to PP is fungible. Therefore there is no way you could pump millions into PP and NOT have it support their abortion practices. It's impossible.

    You can use accounting tricks to demonstrate otherwise but as a practical matter if I agree to give you $1,000 dollars but only if you don't spend any of it on alcohol that money can be used to pay all your other expenses so
    the preexisting money you had can be devoted entirely to drink (something that could not have happened before).

    In my view all you can do is take the government entirely out of the abortion business.
    If PP won't stop then government funds should be cut off. There are other funding channels that could be used.
     
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    I was poor when we had our first child, we went to planed parenthood, they did the pregnancy test, gave us a check up, prescribed a multivitamin for my wife and got us set up with WIC, ect...

    they never tried to push Abortion on us.... so people saying that is what they do are lying, they do let you know it's an option, but the choice is all on you.... we choose to have a baby and they supported us with our choice

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    (sarcasm alert) All that in a "shop of horrors" OH! How awful! (end of sarcasm)




    Yes, PP does good work and only very evil people could want to end what they do........
     
  11. Yosh Shmenge

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    That's overwrought hysterical claptrap! Do you really want to claim someone is made a "slave" when they are prevented from killing someone else? Grow up.


    What is that thing in the womb with a face, fingers, a brain, heart, etc. that reacts to external stimuli?
    A cactus?
    And if you are so ignorant on the issue that you don't know about extraction and abortion techniques that
    partially delivers a child so the skull can be punctured and the brain removed then you really should just shut up and go away (with all due respect).

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    If there is a true risk than the mother's life must take precedence. Unfortunately many abortionists will use any pretext to justify their late term abortion.

    I congratulate Canada and no one calls a late term abortion fun. That's absurd b.s.



    Are you talking about death through warfare? Do you actually know what "war" is? Or why the death penalty is invoked?
    Unbelievable!


    I'm not responsible for what these imaginary "other" people propose. By extension, do you support infanticide and think killing children even after birth should be legalized? http://www.naturalnews.com/041398_post-birth_abortion_infanticide_Melissa_Harris-Perry.html



    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/american-abortion-rate-decline/395960/
    I just did. Ooohhh....you feel so threatened, don't you.
     
  12. FoxHastings

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    No, I correctly pointed out that FORCING women to give birth is treating them as cattle and slaves.




    Your "lack of knowledge " about what a fetus is, is evident... the fetus is human (adjective) not A human (noun). Why would you think it's a cactus ??


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    So? Educate me....show me proof that that is done (without using an anti-abortion website)


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    YOU DO! You think women enjoy 8 months of pregnancy just to have a late term abortion...so you MUST think they do it for fun!!

    Yes, war and executions get rid of inconvenient people.

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    That is exactly what you propose IF you think abortion is murder.

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    Is it gone?

    Has it always been legal?

    Has it always been illegal?
     
  13. Yosh Shmenge

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    By all means lets outlaw pregnancy and watch the human race disappear. LOL...you do seem desperate to make your case.

    And a child lives off it's parent's resources like a parasite. The fact is you are using parasite as a pejorative here...an unwanted unwelcomed organism sucking the life from it's unwilling host.
    And that totally takes the human element out of the equation, not that you seem to care.
    As I've said I'm not an absolutist on the issue and if you can abort before the fetus develops a system that would allow it to survive on it's own that's one thing. But after that point, it's quite another. Then it's murder.


    It's been addressed before. I'm sure PP has very good bookkeepers.


    It's been covered, again. Time to stop beating this dead horse.


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    LOL...
    Forum rules prevent me from honestly addressing this.






    It's been demonstrated.
     
  14. Yosh Shmenge

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    Here you are admitting a fetus is a human being:
    ("No one I know has ever said the fetus is less than human") and of course you've consistently advocated killing that human being for the sake of convenience and the right to choose.

    This is what makes an exchange with you pointless and this is why I'm not going to waste my time anymore after
    this last post.

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    The better question is why would you think I believe a fetus is a cactus? MOD EDIT - Rule 3


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    I don't want the rights of the unborn humans taken away but in a case where one party or the other will die the mother must take precedence.
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    I'm a father of three so I think I know a little about the effects of pregnancy on a woman's body. How about you, sport?

    Of the two, the possible but not inevitable damage to a woman's body and the life of an innocent human being,
    there's no question we should err on the side of life over death. Anything less would make us no better than Nazis, slaveholders and others that treat the lives of others as a mere inconvenience to be removed like a piece of trash.


    No I don't and you should stop lying about what I think.

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    "Inconvenient" is a loaded term that doesn't apply, not surprisingly.

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    That's NOT what I have proposed so once again I ask you stop lying about my own positions. It's the sign of a desperate losing argument.

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    Abortion has steadily lost support since the early '90s. Sorry if you can't handle the truth.
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    uh .. ok.

    A developing fetus can wreak havoc on a mother's body, even if she has proper nutrition and care. The definition still fits.

    PP is not in the "killing business"; it's in the business of saving lives. Go back and look at the link I gave you.

    If you can prove that PP is using government funds to perform abortions you can have them shut down. You can't.

    The government is not in the "abortion business". I have also pointed out the cost to society if government funds are withdrawn. Apparently, you'd rather sacrifice the health and lives of millions every year in your rush to stop abortions. As I have pointed out, if it's not PP, then it will be somebody else and whether or not it's legal, it will still be performed (I was around long before Roe.
     
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    I disagree and you are comparing apples to oranges here. Is a mother malnourished because of the child she carries? In every pregnancy I'm aware of the mother actually picks up weight.
    Your analogy does not hold.

    It aids some lives. It ends others.

    When money ceases to have a fungible quality you will be correct. Not until then.


    Oh? When did it stop funding PP?

    You are making this an either/or case and it just isn't so. The government gave PP $540 million dollars last years and that gap could be covered in an instant if one of the many billionaires on the left opened his penny jar up.
    PP doesn't have to shut down but it should stop acting like a parasite. There are plenty of pro life alternatives to PP.
    Why isn't the government funding them equally?
     
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    This is NOT anything but another recent public recognition of the humanity of a fetus in the generally dishonorable U.S.

    Healthcare does not normally involve elective killing of another human except in the dishonorable America after overthrowing the United States.

    The legal decision in Roe asserted the female "right to choose" was controlling from after voluntary intercourse and conception until "viability if born early".

    Legally speaking, SCOTUS, allowed the autonomy of the pregnant female to overrule the autonomy and human dignity of the human fetus. There are generally 11-weeks before a fetal human life begins. Sorry "conception=life" dreamers but the science of this factual certainty has been irrefutable for a while. Accept it or don't, the earth is NOT flat. The zygote, blastocyst, and embryo may be placed in frozen storage for replanting at a later time.
    Human life does not freeze.

    After a placenta has developed and a fetal heart is beating, freezing the fetal human is FATAL. Healthcare does not generally call for killing the living except for parasites and bacterial/viral infections. Killing a fetus before viability (per SCOTUS) is ALWAYS fatal to the female's human honor or dignity. No "abortionists" is honorable after ignoring the humanity of the fetal human being killed. The female and the "abortionists" are BOTH dishonorable humans after an artificial abortion of gestation. Regret for killing a fetus is part of the healing process. Yes; even a dishonorable act will be forgiven, but will remain dishonorable forever.

    Disposal of a human fetus as medical waste is fatal to the dignity of EVERY person involved in killing the human fetus. PP does some healthcare but is more generally attempting to change U.S. culture and/or prevent recognition of the human dignity of a fetus. Fetal human dignity limits the "right to choose" to 11-weeks instead of 24-weeks or chops it in half.

    "Politicians in Ohio will stop at nothing to ban abortion in all cases in our state. Today, we're asking a federal court to prevent the state from this plainly political attempt to restrict women's access to safe and legal abortion," said Stephanie Kight, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Greater Ohio.
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/ohio-planned-parenthood/index.html

    "Planned Parenthood filed a federal lawsuit Sunday to "protect abortion access" in Ohio following Attorney General Mike DeWine's report that facilities in Cincinnati, Columbus and Cleveland improperly disposed of fetal remains."
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/13/ohio-planned-parenthood-sues-protect-abortion-access/77261054/

    human-dignity-us.org
    Read this or don't; the future SCOTUS ruling is given herein.
    The decision will be a 9-0 ruling and will not be a split, as would be a failure.
     

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