Conservatives go to red states and liberals go to blue as the country grows more polarized

There's been much publicity about political polarization in recent years. It seems to have been getting more ptonounced in the last 3 or so years. Will this ultimately lead to the so called 'national divorce'

 

Maybe you will split up the country after all. Two separate nations may be more suitable? It would be interesting to see what the polling on that question would be.

 

Crooked Hillary was right about ONE thing.
We're stronger TOGETHER

 

I disagree with assuming motives. You left out:
Being able to buy a home
Following well paying jobs
Following family who moved
Selling a high equity home while the getting is good. IOW, selling a middle class 4br 3 bath home with $450k equity, and getting reestablished in another state.
Politics, to a small degree, but most people aren't political warriors like boards like this attract.
But I will grant you this, lots of Californians are feeling "Is this the time it collapses?". California to me has always felt like it's teetering on the edge of a cliff. And have been here from forever.

 

That was quick:

 

I think the ball really started rolling downhill with the explosion of social media. I've always said that I don't believe another civil war is possible because it is basically urban vs rural but even then there are righties living in big cities and, to a lesser extent, lefties living in rural areas. So, there are many righties living in blue states and many lefties living in red states, making a civil war difficult. BUT, if this trend continues, we may reach a point where there are truly all blue areas or states vs all red areas or states, which would make civil war more and more possible or even inevitable.

 

I read the article on line about the time you posted it here. An interesting read.

 

That wouldn’t work. We have to stay in the same country. The article doesn’t address within state moves. Totally purple states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin where even in the same state where conservatives live and where liberals do is totally different. Even in totally blue states there is movement and separation. New York, Illinois, California, Oregon, Washington, the urban and inner suburban are totally blue while the exurban, small town, and rural are totally red. These states are large enough that the majority populations of each rarely interact with the majority of the other. Even with Covid lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccines, school reopening, church attendance and other issues the red areas lived their lives as we saw fit and largely ignored/defied the statewide majority. On a smaller scale as rural red counties became more conservative in reaction to urban coastal counties being more liberal, remaining coastal conservatives have moved here and some of our liberals have moved to Seattle, Portland, Denver areas as liberal California is way too expensive. If would have been good if the article discussed these kind of moves within states too.

 

I just wish progressives would stay out of Florida

 

I have lived in Los Angeles all my life. I have seen a lot of changes. Years ago, I could go to the toy district in downtown to get toys for all the kids. Now, its a tent city with passed out drunks/addicts and feces everywhere. The garment district is moving in that direction. BTW, 4 BR 3 bath is about 1.1 million.

 

Yay, diversity.... ?

 

I read that this AM. The number of competitive states over the last 10-20 years in the presidential elections has decreased from 12 to about 5 or 6 today thanks to movement or migration of people. 270 to win or Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball report list Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada as swing states or tossups. In other words, plain English, Sabato is stating he already knows how the other 44 states will go.


But does all of this, the article, does it affect the ordinary people who aren’t political junkies or die-hard ideologues? I think not. I think you have your 10-15% who want to and who are moving because of politics of their present state, but everyone else is just fine. You must be a diehard ideologue to want to fly a pride flag or a thin blue line flag in your yard. Heck, I don’t even see anyone flying the American flag anymore let alone one of these other flags.

 

I live out in the country, around 25 miles south of Atlanta. 4 BR, 3 bath, around 240-250,000. Pre-COVID, you could have gotten the same house for 200,000. 1 acre is usually the lot size.

 

The easier solution is just more federalism. Let Blue states govern the way they want and red states govern how they want. Making national issues local ones seems like the best shot at some sort of social peace as we get more and more divided.

 

I’m up in Roseville, north of sacto.
They are moving and bidding our prices up and bitching about the heat.

 

That’s true for the USA but not for individual states. If under federalism states have more power we need more smaller ones so that significant minorities don’t feel trampled up and virtually disenfranchised.