Contradictions in atheism

What about the large percentage of religious nut jobs who are simply con artists, who pretend to be Godly? I imagine that statistic to be flawed and under represented.
　
That 2% must be based on the one’s who have organized themselves. Once again I imagine most of them don’t advertise their belief since it isn’t a big deal for them.

 

Why are there several accounts of the same instanec of Jesus? In the Bible?

Why are you demanding tha Christians all be fundamentalists?

Those issues are your own, not ours.

I suggest you think through these and arrive at a position of understanding rather than simply seeking another venre to attack after another is closed off. Like assuming that someone must condemn all other instances of spirituality as a Christians.

You have a very warpped view of Christianity.

 

Which make sthem equal in size and numbers to the charlatans of atheism no doubt

Apply your standard to your own religion before you apply it to others.

 

What standard?
　
　
It's pretty obvious that there are people who 'are' spiritual, some who are spiritual because it is convenient (usually financially) or some who are spiritual because they are expected to be (political/socially), and those who claim spirituality but are out to screw anybody and everybody they can, at any cost. Pick any religion and you have them. Their own actions give them away.

 

And why are people atheists?

Is it a universal thing that drves people there? Are some atheists quite nice people? ARe others craven ********s?

You find diversity in religion, but none in atheism? Really?

 

　
　
Because they do not believe in God. Kinda the meaning in case you haven't figured it out yet.

　
　
No I reckon 'those' people come to the same conclusion for different reasons, same as people who claim to find/know/believe in a God.
　
　

　
　
I'm sure there are. Why would having a different pattern of thought to reach a particular conclusion automatically make you a bad person?
　
　

　
　
They're people are they not?

　
　
I don‘t? Thanks, I had no idea what it was I think until you came along. .

 

Your entire post is based on a false premise. Finding contradictions in what this or that atheist says does nothing to show contradictions in atheism itself.

Your post is, in fact, ad hominem. It is against ATHEISTS, not ATHEISM.

 

No, that would make them agnostic. To be atheist means one thinks there is no God - not that the issue is muddled.

Do a people reach that conclusion with the exact same process? Do they all do the exact same thing with that conclusion?

And why should we pay more attention to religious ********s than atheist ********s?

I don;t get that.


　
　

　
　
Much like those who believe in God. Interesting, what was it you wer etaking issue with in religion?
　
　

　
　
I do not believe I made such a position. I pointed out that there are a great many atheists, yourself included, who look for contradictions in SOMEONE ELSE'S FAITH.

That includes you listing of bad religious people, whil ognoring the good ones - and even ignoring the bad atheists out there.

What is the point of condemning and entire religion based on a few bad apples? There are bad black people, really, should we condemn ALL black people like the KKK?

Shoudl we puruse and twist black culture to make black people in sad paradigms of non-humans?

THat is exactly what a good chuck of atheists are doing on this forum, presenting contardiction as if they overtly concerned with its elimination - yet when confronted with massive contradiction within their own ranks ... they excuse.

That is a contradiction worth noting.
　
　

　I believe that is exactly what I said.
　

And yet you DEMAND, as an atheist, that we DO SOMETHING about the bad religious people. But ******** atheists are to be tolerated? Ignored?

Should we not do the same thing with bad religious people that we do with bad atheists?

 

There is of course some diversity in atheism, but nothing compared to religion. "Diversity" is the wrong word with regard to religion. Religion is all over the map. The complete lack of unity in religious thought is one of the indicators of its likely artificiality. One would think that if there was something to religion, there would be more similarity among them. But there's not. There's everything from Santaria, to snake handlers, to cargo cults, to monotheism to polytheism in the extreme. The "diversity" in religion is actually one of the things that makes it highly questionable. While there is diversity in atheism, it's mainly due to differences between humans as humans and is clearly not the result of human imaginations running wild all over the world as it is with religion.

 

Minutia.

That does nothing to explain the OP, and is merely an attempt to avoid and excse the contradictions presented.

1. Why is a atheist charity raising money to fund humanistic outreach yet taking issue with the militaries noting of the connection between spiritualism ( a concpet that MANY atheists on this forum has said is not out side the bounds of atheism) in regard to resilancy in battle?

Does that help the warriors who are effected by the reality if battle? Is that compassion and concern for others, or with self?

Is that not a cntradiction that requires more explaortion, as it is linked to the raising and expenditure of CURRENT monitary funds then say .... worrying abiout minutia in the the various accounts of Jesus's life and resurrection?

Perhaps?

2. Then there is fund raising, once again a modern concern, ostensibly to fund humanistic outreach both here and in India and advocated (quite effectively mind you) by Gora of India.

Yet the raised funds are simply to fund anti-religious distribes and de-converstion stories.

How does the help your fellow man? Especially when the collection process is inherently biased, ignoring anything positive that ever came out of religion (I can assure you that there is no quote from William Wilberforce on the site for example - and Jeffersons's quotes in support of religion, for example, are notably absent). How is such a deiberately biased approach to information a spoitive humanistic or compassionate message to be taught?

Why are atheists no alarmed by this? Why are the same atheists who excuse their attacks on religion as stomping our contradiction going to uch great length to excuse the massive contradictions within their own beliefs first.

Stones and glass houses.

You guys have thrown enough stones at others, and it is amusing to watch atheists quibble when a stone comes flying back.

What did you expect? That those who you attack would NEVER defend themselves? Good Luck with that.

 

1. Atheism is as dverse as any religion. That is a fact.

http://mwillett.org/atheism/sects1.htm

2. Atheism is obviously as much the result of imagination as any religion. To look out at the universe and conclude when there is no conclusive evidnece that there is no God is a process that requires every bit the same amount of imagination as concluding there is something out there.

And the force of denial that causes so many atheists to subsequently attack, admonish, and belittle those using the same process is indeed a process that is wild, totally lacking in standards, and out of control.

 

Agnostic- One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God or not.
　
Atheist- a person who denies the existence of a supreme being or beings.
　

　
　
I thought I answered my opinion on that already? Perhaps an example.
　
One person may have never been around religion enough in their learning years to establish the belief, while another may have been around religion but simply sees no proof for what he was told and simply doesn't believe. Just like one person may have had a strict upbringing ina Church and knows nothing else, while another may have come out of a drug induced coma and credited a God for that recovery.
　
　
Obviously they do not do the exact same thing with their beliefs. As Kmisho pointed out beliefs are extremely diverse in religion. Some atheists are extremely outspoken about their lack of belief while other simply don't think it necessary to bring it to every bodies attention. Probably that guy in the back row at Church sleeping, cuz he is only there because his family expects it. But does that make him a bad person?
　
　

　
　
　
Maybe there are simply more religious ********s than there are non-religious one's?

　

　
　
Which is why I asked you instead of trying to tell you what you think. Try it, it might make for better conversation in the long run.
　
　

　
　
There you go again! I'm an atheist now? You seem to know more about me than I know about myself. In most cases the hypocrisy of religious nut jobs usually jumps out at you. You don't in many cases have to look for it.
　
　
　

　
　
　
Do you feel better now? Not sure what that has to do with me, but I hope it made you feel better anyway.
　
　

　
　
If you did, it came across as a question so I answered it anyway. (???)
　
　

　
　
Where did I 'demand' anything? You really think I am an atheist?? Before I answer you, this is a question right??

　
　
I'm open for suggestions, but it is a free country and there are no laws against being an ********, religious or otherwise.

 

Yes, being born.

All are atheists before being indoctrinated with theism. Some of course manage to escape this yoke later in life and become atheists again.

 

Did you even click on the link you googled?

The second sentence starts out: "Here is a little guide, it has very little substance, ..."

And the first one of these "atheist sects" listed is, .... wait for it .... , Agnostics!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

So, by your logic, since there are the KKK, all Christians dont like helping their fellow man out either eh?

From man's nature. Write simple really. It is in fact the same origin of morality as that in religion. Humans get their morality from themselves, not God.

Well yes I would say delusional inspiration is 'beneficial' in a war zone because it gives you hope. But of course an irreligious person may question why he was there. A soldier should have no real doubts if he believes what he is doing is right and hence, worth it.

Don;t know but getting back to your point, it provides an alternative to bent religious faith and instead gives rational hope.

Good question, probably not by much.

I recall the website also has notions about selfless acts, much like Buddhists. These can be quite beneficial for the solution you seek.

Well what you have is a contradictory statement form ONE group, whilst the Bible is an entire collective of groups and contradictions are not minor they are HUGE.

No, but will attacking atheism as you do, do that either? Atheism is not inherently 'against religion' as much as you so very very much wish it is Neutral. Religion is however inherently against outside beliefs and faiths. This doesn't mean it can't change it just means it has way more problems than atheism in terms of morality.

I suggest you find some means to let go of your anger because it has clearly consumed you.

 

How is there contradictions in atheism? Atheism has no content, it is simply the lack of a belief in a god or gods. It's like calling yourself a non-stock broker if you don't work for Wall Street.

 

Congrats are in order to Neutral, for his devastating takedowns of the cartoon versions of atheism which exist only in his imagination.

(If Neutral could actually list a genuine contradiction in atheism, he wouldn't have to depend entirely on making up insane strawmen concerning what atheism really is.)

Getting back to the real world, could Neutral please specifically explain how "I lack belief in any deities" is a contradiction?

 

It's amazing to me how many individuals find themselves on a consistent basis within heated arguments and yet they believe that they are the victim within it.....

I was at my uncle's house on the 'can' reading a funny book titled "Don't squat with yer spurs on" A cowboy's guide to life....
One of the adages contained within was..... "If your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt"

Not a lot of good work going on around these parts it would seem.

 

Atheism has no contradictions. It is based on the observations of reality.

Is reality a contradiction?

 

Yep, the belief that there is no God is completely based on testable explainable science - that is repeatedly failed to be shown - and its why all the more militant atheists become agnostic atheists, and make reality based claims that they therefore have noburden of proof or need to demonstrate the observations they claim.

Sound more like arrogance and obstinance than 'reality' to me.

 

Reality, is that the only thing that is provable is self..... Quite brilliant in fact....What a world we would live in if people sought to do exactly that!!!

 

OK, so go ahead and prove there is no God. Let's see it.

Oh wait ... you are about to become another agnostic atheist, who when confronted with the REALITY of their strong atheist claims, makes a bunch of excuses rather than presenting the proveable, testable evidence that they claim drives their decision. (But wait! Magic of all magic, you are magically not claiming anything at all!!!)

Its not even faith that guides this BS - its just simple arrogance.

 

IF I were to attempt to prove there IS a God, I would definitely use a much more brilliant approach than simply using the absurdity that is contained within the bible.

Contemplating the possibility of God isn't the problem, the biblical representation and the acceptance of what it purports is!

 

We might as well prove Russel's Teapot doesn't exist.

Fallacies, aren't they fun?

 

So, how does that prove your claim?

Oh right, it doesn't. Its just another assinine excuse to avoid baking up the arrogant thesis statement that way too many atheists foust in sheer arrogance.

Go ahead, prove there is no God rather than taking an opinated, and ignorant, pot shot (which is akin to the fully discredited Jesus Myth) at the Bible.

In fact, while we are at, why don;t you expain to the wider forum why your arrogance and derision should be treated as anything other than petulent immaturity?

Because, failing to back up your claim of 'reality' and acting like a jerk pretty much makes your position just simple immaturity. Its teh same thing children do on an elementary school playground - and it is what modern atheism is.

And THAT is reality.

Feel that angry tingle going up your spin now? Yep, that is what atheist is in actuality. Disrespect for others is fine, disrespect to you? Oh wait, NOW its wrong.

Atheism - there's teh reality of it.