COP: ‘I’m Going to Grab Your Baby, and Don’t Resist’

No they're not. CPS acted completely justifiably given the situation. If a hospital had lied to them or there was a miscomunnication, it still isn't the CPS fault as their actions given the information they had require that action.

Parents taking a child out of cardiac ICU without permission is neglect. The only way it is not is if the second doctor recieved all the available information from the parents to discharge the child from medical care, which as we see from the fact that when it was followed up on after the first encounter with police CPS re-entered the scene.

CPS can't be held at fault. They acted exactly how policy requires them to act in this exact situation. The only way they were wrong is if the hospital blatantly lied about the situation, which makes it the hospitals complete fault, or for some reason the officer sent to intervene flat out didn't tell CPS or his own department that the situation.

The most you've got is that the hospital lied, for whatever reason, and told CPS bogus information. CPS acted accordingly in a situation where as far as they knew a child needed immediate medical attention. This type of thing is in place specifically so that a child doesn't die while they go through the paperwork because some idiot parent thought they could put their childs life in danger because they "wanna".

And as already repeatedly mentioned, you'll need to provide some form of evidence for this CPS/Hospital conspiracy theory, in which they steal child for fun, in order to have an argument.

 

Before opening the thread, I already knew which users would defend the government snatching kids. I mean, forget that we have 100,000 medical malpractice/mistakes deaths a year..... Parents didnt want their child to become another statistic.

 

Like I said, cops version. Who knows what was going on. Could be total scumbags, but I know total scumbags that dont get the kids taken.

 

There doesn't seem to be anything here that warrants the state stepping in in the first place. "Playing it strangely" is hardly a cause for government intervention.

By whom, the state? Yeah, right.

That a completely speculative assertion.

Invading a home and kidnapping a child doesn't protect it.

 

No it is NOT speculation!

A bed in a neonatal Cardiac ICU costs AT LEAST $10,000/day.

For the baby to IN the NICU means a doctor has certified the baby NEEDS that kind of intense observation because it has a chance of heart failure or complications, ALL of which require IMMEDIATE action within a FEW MINUTES to prevent brain damage or brain death.

The PRESUMPTION that the CPS and the police MUST follow is that the doctors and the hospital are NOT lying. If the professionals ARE lying, then that is matter for another day and court hearings, not a snatch and grab by parents leaving the baby unmonitored.

 

And parental rights? You big government libs have yet to answer that issue.
Mine are grown men now, but touch thier kids, hold thier kids, take thier kids and hell will be there in seconds.
Oh, and guess what. Thats how its supposed to be in America. Not be pushed around by cops and doctors.
And where were those worthless doctors last year when our neice died? IN A HOSPITAL VISTING HER NEWBORN?
Oh, thats right they were busy dicking around about her mothers insurance maxing out.

 

Its not "pushing parents around" to consider the parent's judgment to be bad when they don't follow a rational procedure to get a second opinion for their baby, and take irresponsible and irrational actions that could easily endanger its life.

NO ONE was going to operate on their baby without a signature on a release.

Well, there is a cause of death that ends next year since health insurance will have no maximum.

 

They put a 5 month old child in neonatal ICU?? I'd have gone running out of that hospital too.

 

It was an oversight on my part, yet the cases in the paper I listed are quite clear, and there have been numerous other cases where cities either settled or had large judgements against them for illegally entering homes and kidnapping children.

 

The kid seems to have some major medical problems. Since the State seems to be so interested in his welfare the parents should let the State have him and then they can concentrate on having a healthy baby. It would be a lot less stressful.

 

Limiting the right to buy a firearm isn't based on the idea that a person may commit a crime, it is a punishment based on the fact that they already have committed one.

I don't think anyone should ever be prosecuted just for resisting arrest. If you are found not guilty of whatever they were arresting you for, then they were wrong for arresting you in the first place.

I am of the impression that all the laws on the book that pertain to guns at all are "Gun Control". Are you saying you don't agree with an laws anywhere that pertain to guns?

 

Yes, the key here is "without a proper discharge". The parents are in charge, and try as you might to defend that the state is now in charge you'll fail.

 

how dumb that would be.

By the way, you have every right to resist a wrongful arrest. Just understand that wrongful doesn't mean that you ultimately weren't charged with an additional crime. It simply means that it wasn't a legal arrest attempt.

 

Which would be almost immediately since the cops showed up at the other hospital, right?

So, you don't think that maybe CPS could have sent a case worker to the home to check on the situation instead of having the cops abuse the husband, barge in and rip the child from the mothers arms? I mean, come on.....

Not applicable here.

Wrong, I value many of the services the government manages, but I do oppose government when they abuse their power, as they clearly did in this case.

LOL.... As soon as that happens I'll let you know.

 

Actually, CPS will take kids because you were not sufficiently gushing, fawning, and servile to one of their thugs. They are half a step above the Gestapo.

 

Yeah...I just noticed that! A 5-month-old should be in the pediatric ICU. I just asked my wife's friend (AP-RN, worked 3 years in pediatrics) and her exact words were, "Madre de Dios, they put a 5-month-old WHERE?! Do not ever use that hospital!"

 

Can you find any examples of that right being successfully exercised?

 

How does being pro-choice have anything to do with you living with someone to know who wipes their ass? And, no, you support fascism.

Only a moron would suggest that we have any form of totalitarianism, especially when the government (at the coddling of Republicans) keeps corporations rich with subsidies and tax cuts. You really don't know what you are talking about. Go do some reading.

 

But you don't know what they reported to CPS and what involvement with the court took place after that, do you. You're going solely by the story provided by the parents, which of course, couldn't be biased because we know that there is no such thing as neglectful parents, right?

I don't know what the first hospital told CPS, and neither do you. If they told CPS that the child was in imminent danger, they would have to hurry.

But, you don't know that the government abused their power, you're just talking out the other end because you don't have all the details.

Oh sure, you're going to do that. Just like other Republican/conservatives who were dissing the Stimulus and then had their hand out for some of the money - or like Perry in Texas, who said he wouldn't take money from the Feds and now has his hands out to receive help for the victims of the fertilizer explosion in West, Texas, or like Ted Cruz, who voted "no" to a bill to give aid to the people of NJ (a blue state), but now is probably going to vote "yes" when they write up a bill to help the victims in Texas (red state).

I won't hold my breath.

 

The problem I have and see our state do, is take the wrong children from better parents or a single parent. There are multiple violators that keep getting their children back. It really ticks me off when I hear about it.

I think this doctor jumped the gun. If this couple took the boy for a second opinion right away, I say good for them.

I can't imagine what it felt like to have supervised visits. I know they got their baby back but haven't heard much more on the story. I saw them interviewed on fox news. I could feel their pain.

 

You need to get updated. The parents are not entirely in charge. If they try and pull the same stunt again they will suffer the consequences. So, it looks like your statement is the one that failed.

CALIF. PARENTS WHOSE BABY WAS SEIZED BY POLICE ARE ONE STEP CLOSER TO REGAINING FULL CUSTODY AFTER COURT RULING
The 5-month-old baby boy who was seized by authorities in Sacramento, Calif. will be transferred to a Bay Area hospital for further medical evaluation, a court ruled Monday. However, the baby’s parents are celebrating a victory as they can now see him whenever they want and will be in charge of all the child’s medical decisions moving forward.

A detainment order has been lifted, but Child Protective Services (CPS) will continue to monitor the case, KXTV reports. The court also ruled that the parents must follow all future medical advice, including not removing their child from Stanford Medical Center without proper discharge.

“A county social worker will make regular house visits to check on Sammy once he is returned home,” the report adds.

“It’s like a special day for us. It’s like we’re in a unit with our son again,” the baby’s mother, Anna Nikolayev, said. “We’re just not going to let go anymore.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...le-who-had-5-month-old-baby-seized-by-police/

 

These LEOs are traitors.

 

Face it, if CPS had a valid case and the parents were putting the child's life at risk, the child would be in their care today and the parents would be facing a charge of child neglect or worse, endangerment. They aren't. The judge gave them full access to the child but ruled on the side of caution by sending the child back to the hospital. Of course CPS, like most government agencies, can't just admit they acted stupidly, so they'll keep pestering the family to justify their involvement, but It's seems clear the child was never endangered, CPS over reacted, the parents (and possibly the child) where traumatized and the judges ruling was sensible given the circumstances.

 

you are once again 100% wrong. Family Court ALWAYS tries to reunite families. So if CPS brings a case like this before them their first effort is to get the parents to comply and return the child to them. These parents have agreed to comply so they got their child back. If they hadn't of, they wouldn't have gotten their child back.

How about backing off the stupid rhetoric and using your head for a change?

 

Not according to my right to chose. The 9th ammendment actually protect me to have this say over the state.

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So only through threat of force and cohersion do these parents get to see their kids because the state thinks it knows best?