Cosatu wants SA Communist Party to now run SA, with ANC to take back seat

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  1. scarlet witch

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    https://citizen.co.za/news/south-af...rty-to-now-run-sa-with-anc-to-take-back-seat/



    South Africa is currently on the precipice, the capitalist economy have been all but completely destroyed by corruption and Black economic empowerment (Affirmative Action) policies.

    Last week Eskom the power supplier went to stage 6 blackouts which shut down the entire country including the mining industry which is worth approximately R355 billion each year. (They are now back to Stage 2-4)

    This turning point have been planned meticulously by the ANC and the SACP (Communist Party) over the past 25 years. In 1994 the South African constitution was drawn up but the ANC have not used the constitution as a guide for governance, it has used their Freedom charter (written in the 1950’s at the height of communism).

    In 1989 they revised their programme of action, this programme is called “The Path to Power” which outlines the steps and goals needed to take South Africa to full blown communism. Since 1989, the following organisations and countries have helped the ANC achieve each and every one of their Marxists goals to achieve communism;

    • George Soros
    • Open Societies
    • Sweden
    • The liberal Media
    • The Clinton Administration
    • The Obama Administration
    • CIA (Pre-Trump)
    • MI6
    • Australia
    • Britain including Theresa May who put her stamp of approval on land expropriation
    • The entire liberal west

    Here are some questions I have;

    Why are these organisations and countries assisting the ANC with their communist goals?

    How many people do you think are going to die? (considering between 40-70 million died in the Soviet Union and 50-70 million died in China… not to mention Vietnam or North Korea)
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is some more info on the Path to Power and the National Democratic Revolution NDR (translation for Marxist Revolution)

    Below is all quoted from Jeffrey, Anthea. People's War . Jonathan Ball Publishers. Kindle Edition.


    Like The Green Book before it, The Path to Power emphasises the importance of playing down ultimate socialist objectives. It warns that ‘to place the attainment of socialism on the immediate agenda will, in fact, be to postpone the very attainment of socialist transformation’.20
    However, this does not mean that the ‘propagation of socialist ideas should be postponed’. On the contrary, the SACP and its trade union allies should ‘ensure that the ideas of socialism are widely debated and spread’, so that they can ‘take root’ among the people and especially among the working class.21

    Adds the SACP document: ‘

    The transition to socialism will be neither completely separate from nor contradictory to the tasks of the national democratic revolution. On the one hand, consistent implementation and defence of the national democratic programme constitutes a major guarantee of progress towards socialism. On the other hand, many of the major objectives of the national democratic revolution will be fully accomplished in the process of socialist reconstruction.’22

    Though adopted some 30 years ago, The Path to Power remains an important and succinct pointer to the NDR objectives of the SACP and its ANC ally. Since 1994, moreover, both the SACP and the ANC have regularly reaffirmed their commitment to implementing the NDR as fast as the shifting balance of forces will allow.

    Implementing the NDR Though the overall NDR goal is clear, more detailed planning is needed at regular intervals to identify what incremental interventions are ripe for implementation in the period ahead. These plans are refined and endorsed at the national conferences the ANC convenes at five-yearly intervals.

    Since 1994, five such conferences have been held: at Mafikeng (1997), Stellenbosch (2002), Polokwane (2007), Mangaung (2012) and Nasrec (2017). Each of these national conferences has adopted a Strategy and Tactics document setting out what needs to done to advance the NDR over the next five years.

    Each of these documents has a ‘strategy’ element identifying ‘the long-term objectives the ANC has set for itself’. Each also deals with ‘tactics’, defined as ‘the immediate and medium-term tasks [needed] to attain those long-term objectives’.23 In each of its post-1994 Strategy and Tactics documents, the ANC has recommitted itself to the NDR and its incremental implementation.

    As the Nasrec (2017) document puts it, the ANC is ‘the vanguard of the NDR’ and ‘a disciplined force of the Left’.24 As ‘the leader of the broad movement for transformation’, its key task is to ensure that the liberation process does not ‘stall at political independence’,25 but moves forward to embrace ‘economic emancipation’ too.

    What this last term means is generally not spelt out, but anyone familiar with Marxist terminology (says Filatova) knows that ‘economic emancipation’ can never be achieved under capitalism.26

    As the Strategy and Tactics documents also explain, the NDR in South Africa has had to proceed in two phases. In the first phase, the focus was on consolidating the ANC’s initially fragile control over all key ‘levers of power’. In the second phase, which began in 2012, the emphasis has shifted to the socio-economic sphere. In this phase, decisive and ‘radical’ steps are being taken to change the ownership, control and structure of the economy – and so bring the country closer to a socialist future.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok so here's my "guess"

    Why did and still are these people, organisations and countries helping the ANC to achieve their Marxist outcome for South Africa
    Early 90's the ANC went from Communists to Liberal Globalists (South Africa's borders are still open). They did this because they were promised power by Soros and his cadres (Clintons. British, Sweden and their un-intelligent services) if they embrace Liberalism and Globalism.

    Why would the ANC so willingly embrace Liberal Globalism? Because;

    1. They were gifted one of the richest countries in the world
    2. Liberal Globalism is a path to Communism
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    3. The unanswered question however is why do these people help the ANC achieve their marxist goals.

    Soros is a Globalist Socialist... let's just call him a communist since there's not much difference, that would suit him perfectly along with all the trillions that have been stolen from South Africans in the last 20 years.
    The liberal west however it seems have no idea... they think they are helping black people fight racism.... which brings me to my next question. How thick are these people? Or are they simply corrupt?
     
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    Communism is the best system for those in power.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I keep forgetting to put my death toll estimate. I'm guessing between 15 million and 30 million people will die in the next 2-3 decades
     
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    It should be those organizations that provide aid when the people begin starving.

    America should offer none..

    How many times does communism/ socialism have to fail and kill people before people learn??

    Communists and socialists are as guilty pf homicide as drunk drivers who causr fatal crashes.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It just keeps getting better... here's what Ramaphosa had to say about MI6

    https://citizen.co.za/news/south-af...-down-if-mi6-allegations-turn-out-to-be-true/

    For those who don't know who the EFF is...here's a vid



    Lovely.... MI6 good job with the killing
     
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    Yes indeed, when millions die I will blame these people/organisations, because without their help and guidance, the ANC would never have been able to get to where they are today... the doorstep of communism... death & suffering for millions

     
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    It's good for the Boers to control the other folks for they certainly need to be regulated over there. In general Africa now as a continent do experience too much chaos, strife, utter poverty, and even vicious diseases.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is quite the bombshell if true. the EFF is the KKK on steroids, white men are gang raped, farmers have boiling water poured down their throats, they are raped and tortured for hours and even days on end, and babies as young as 6 weeks old are raped by several men...


    The British are something else aren't they?

    This would hardly be their first genocidal rodeo in Africa, during colonisation they killed more than 50 000 Sudanese, 30 000 Boer women and children in concentration camps after they burned down their farms and killed hundreds of thousands of their livestock. Because they wanted South Africa's resources.

    Persecuting whites in South Africa and right wingers in Britain and other countries.... while creating this monster in South Africa on the sly... wow...just wow... is this a liberal thing? Liberals have no boundaries what they will do for their ideology... look at the Steele report... MI6 also involved.
     
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    South Africa's politics can be confusing I'll post some info here;

    The reason why South African politics are difficult to understand is because of the hidden agendas of the factions within the ANC. The main factions are

    1. Liberal Globalists - Ramaphosa (closet communist) - controlled by George Soros (also a closet communist) and Open Societies (then Obama Administration/Clinton Foundation/CIA pre Trump MI6, liberal media, liberal west etc - the useful idiots)
    2. Communists - EFF (Julius Malema) SACP (SA communist Party) Cosatu and the Trade Unions who control the masses and the ANC vote.
    3. The Gangsters David Mabuza (Vice President) Ace Magashule Secretary General of the African National Congress or Mr 10% (Gangster State book was written about him)

    Ramaphosa is basically a lame duck president, because to fix south Africa he needs to fire all the"Affirmative action" & corrupt workers that are draining the country, but the SACP and Cosatu won't let him, their members are those who need to be fired and they control the ANC vote.

    On top of this is also a layer of tribalism, here is a mind map of the tribes (not on here are the Coloureds - Brown people (PC) they consist of the Malay slaves, the Khoi and San people - the original inhabitants of South Africa..everyone else are basically migrants, including the Bantu tribes. Also not on the map is the Indians brought in to work the sugar plantation and the whites.

    Imo the coloureds (Khoi and San people) who are the only group not migrants, are the most oppressed minority in South Africa today.

    Tribes.png
     
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    Many predict 2020 will be the year the wheels will come off, Cosatu and the SA Communist Party may well be feeling the pressure, it is reported that half the country don't have enough food to eat. They have been promised wealth and while the ANC's Affirmative Action policies was suppose to take care of the transfer of wealth, corruption helped it backfire.
    25% of whites are now stuck in squatter camps, but some of the billions (estimated R1.4 trillion) stolen found its way back into the private sector. The corrupt spent it on white owned business and 75% of whites became extremely wealthy.
    The only way now left to take the white wealth is to use violence, this is where the EFF comes in, deniability for the ANC, purpose for the hungry masses.
     
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    Capitalism creates prosperity, Socialism creates poverty. Case in point, South Africa.
     
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    The question still stands;

    Why does the liberal west and the liberal media help the African National Congress achieve each and every one of their Marxists Goals.

    They've progressed down the path to communism for decades, by now it should be clear this is communism. We know what Zimbabwe is like;

    Zimbabwe facing 'man-made' starvation, UN expert warns
    https://news.yahoo.com/zimbabwe-facing-man-made-starvation-un-expert-warns-190508699.html


    There isn't another South Africa to help this time (millions of Zimbabweans have fled to South Africa, South Africa have provided electricity and other aid to Zimbabwe...even during Apartheid) There is no one to help South Africans when the food supply is expropriated.

    When whites try to secure their food supply the liberal media paint them as racist... you're not allowed to group together as whites... different rules apply for blacks...
    The president of the country just told us of MI6's involvement with the EFF, a racist group set on destroying white South Africans... yet if they try to group together for protection, the liberal media paint them as racist.... you're not allowed to protect yourself...(whites are thrown in jail and gang raped when they defend themselves) somehow this is ok????????? no complaint from liberals and the liberal media...

    What about the black masses... millions of them will die. Is this the true agenda of liberals? To kill as many blacks as possible so they can't go north and cross the Mediterranean? Why else would you so clearly steer and aid the ANC's path to famine?
     
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    @scarlet witch


    Sub Sahara Africa needs a
    White Nation State!

    Black persons residing there would have citizenship to a
    nearby Black governed nation.

    No doubt a White Nation State would evolve to an economic hub.


    Moi :oldman:




    STOP :flagcanada:
     
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    Moi I think at this point anyone living in South Africa will settle for not corrupt not communist state/government.. even if they are pink

    Changing head of state will do nothing, Ramaphosa is a lame duck. The problem is The South African Communist Party, Cosatu and the Trade Unions control the vote.

    The only solution is a two state solution... or perhaps a Federation style political system... communism however is banging on the door
     
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    With the EFF dancing around ,stirring racial hatred and fuelling the murder of whites, Southern Africa is desperate for food.

    Of the 70,000 white farmers who fed 100 million people in Southern Africa (Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Swaziland, Lesotho, Zambia, Mozambique) during the Apartheid years, there are now only 30,000 left (either left or killed).

    South Africa is also struggling to supply Southern Africa with power as the power grid slowly crumbles.

    Ordinary people & the environment are the biggest losers

    Stage 12 load-shedding?: Zimbabwean student tells of dark times


    South Africans too are struggling

    Stage 6 for Eskom, stage 8 for Ramaphosa and other highlights from 'Vrye Weekblad'
    https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2019-12-13-stage-6-for-eskom-stage-8-for-ramaphosa-and-other-highlights-from-vrye-weekblad/


    In the meantime during these difficult times, Eskom employees are.... having a Christmas lunch

    https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...ll-right-now-eskom-staff-are-at-a-xmas-lunch/
     
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    Whatever happens, it is going to be the sentiment of whether or not we are still fighting the capitalism vs communism war of the ideologies. The red scare certainly left its imprint on history. I thought capitalism won. But, maybe the war of ideologies has just begun???
     
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    It never ended... TheSoviet Union ended but communism continued elsewhere and with careful planning by the liberal west progressed very far along in South Africa.
    The ANC knows that there is no turning back, to turn back is to re-hire white South Africans. Therefore they will push ahead on the path laid out with the help of the liberal west, the useful idiots and their un-intelligent services until the entire region is engulfed in violence... hold on to your hat Europe.
     
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    Look, we all live in hope for South Africa.
    And we all support her.
    We don't want SA to end up like Zimbabwe, even though that's where it seems to be heading.
    There's no conspiracy. SA is not Communist, nor ever will be. But if she ends up as another
    Venezuela then the support will dry up.
    Don't blame anyone except the South Africans themselves - they only have to see where their
    neighbors ended up.
     
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    Here's an updated Tribes map, (I had an extra leg at the top - now deleted)

    What is interesting is that the presidency of South Africa also mirrors the "minority rights ahead of others" ideology of the liberal globalist west

    The Xhosa are historically the "conquered" tribe whereas the two warrior tribes are the Zulus and the Afrikaner. The presidency was handed to Mandela and Mbeki two Xhosas... then to smooth tribal friction & relations over to Zuma (Zulu) then back to minority Ramaphosa (Venda). It is liberalism & globalism that enabled the Xhosa to rule over the "victors" and likely also feeding a large part of the violence... in addition to the racial violence, crime, poverty, hunger, gangsters, drugs etc especially now that the resources are shrinking rapidly.

    In short it is the liberal globalists insistence on ignoring tribal differences that adds to the conflict... we're all the same remember :rolleyes:

    Tribes.png
     
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    If you watch political causes, particularly those emanating from American
    universities, you can't help but think of Cultural Marxism - not the economic
    variety but the Frankfurt School type. Sure - Corbyn was heading down the
    economic type but that didn't get him elected. The cause pushers still make
    headway.
    Connection to Communism is through something like the Cultural Revolution
    in China. That is - endless causes, eternal revolution and direct challenges to
    history, religion and culture.
    I can see this getting worse in the West. Museums will be next. Statues are
    being toppled, books are banned, speech requirements are here, thought
    control is more prevalent, free speech is being shut down etc..
     
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    You are incorrect

    The path to communism was laid out a long time ago and have been reviewed and reinforced every five yours by the ANC... just read the headline :lol:

    or this post

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...anc-to-take-back-seat.565600/#post-1071249958
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK...
    We're seeing a progression to communism via the liberal, globalist, socialist road... which is not the same as what happened in China, Korea & Vietnam. There is more than one road to communism.

    Even during the Soviet era Liberalism were harnessed to push protests & media narratives that serve communism... for example peace protests because we shouldn't arm ourselves and aim our missiles at the Soviet Union, we should seek peace not conflict with the communists.... peace protests that stopped the Vietnam war... the People's War that won South Africa for the communists had necklacing that was blamed on the Apartheid government, the liberal media was the tool. Today it's Climate Change and the same communist media strategies used against Apartheid is now used against the west.

    liberalism have been weaponised... there's nothing wrong with wanting good things for all, there's nothing wrong with equal rights... the problem is when your cause have been hijacked and is being used to push anti government narratives and fuel protests that disrupt and fuel anger and division.

    During the last 30 years we've seen liberalism turn into globalism, the globalists pushed their open borders and multi culturism with socialists policies (as globalism or internationalism is ideologically founded in socialism..)

    Problem is as Soros and the Clintons/Obamas pushed for new Democracies... so everyone can live in utopia, these democracies were also corrupted.. basically think "John Perkins" on steroids. This eroded public funds world wide (although a lesser degree in Europe) also pushed inequality to heights we've never seen.

    In Australia I've seen the rise of Socialists, as millennials feel left out of the wealth bracket... what is left for them but Socialism... now we're getting very close to the communism scale of things and moving further away from capitalism.

    This is where we find ourselves currently. How far along are you?

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