Cost of Gun Reform

Ah! The old firm of "Misrepresent, Misquote and Cherry pick".

The real point is that the gun homicide rate DID go down - as did the gun suicide rate.
http://theconversation.com/faking-w...-americans-abuse-australian-crime-stats-11678

 

As you can perhaps tell from my name and avatar I have an interest in history. Plus there is skill in accurately aiming a firearm.

 

Hmmm,
as with everything, there is a purpose behind every invention...
Cars are meant to transport us, surely they can be misused, as could be planes or bikes or or or....

Some might argue, that guns and bullets protect them, however their design is to kill, nothing more, nothing less.

A country, which allows its citizen to carry guns, is imho less educated then others, which prohibit the use of weapons.

At the end, no gun is made for making friends, but to kill, and to kill only.....

However, in times of more violence occurring, and police too occupied with God knows what, there is something in me which signals that at a specific moment it is also our right, to protect us against those, who do us harm.
As you can see, I am absolutely opposed to weapons, but torn when it comes to protect my children or grandchildren. If they would be attacked, what would I do if I'd carried a gun? Surely shoot the bastard....

Difficult subject I think....
Regards

 

One might say:

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." ~ Benjamin Franklin

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” ~ Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

IMHO - Those that believe government bureaucrats are more able to protect you than you can yourself are less educated than others.

 

Please explain what was miss representative, misquoted and cherry picked about my link to the ABS homicide rates. Homicide rates have been declining since 1969, that is a fact. There is no correlation between the introduction of the gun laws and the homicide rate, that is a fact.

Yes a very good example from you of missrepresenting, and cherry picking. This what the anti gun nuts do. The gun homicide rate may have gone down, you have not given us any link to substantiate this claim, but the anti gun nuts say this as if it means homicides whent down, which is simply not true. It is a perfect example of missrepresentation and cherry picking.

I don't care what the NRA say or don't say. The real point is that homicide rates were not affected by the gun laws and suicide rates were not affected by the gun laws.
Another relevent fact is that past massacres in Australia have all occured in states that had gun laws. Queensland had virtualy no gun laws up until 1990 when the Goss Labor government introduced the infamous life long gun licences. There was no gun registration, no licences and no storage rules. Anyone over 18 could walk into a gun shop and walk out with a long arm, including semi automatic military assualt rifles, five minutes later. Yet there never were any massacres in Queensland.

 

There's no such thing as a semi automatic assault rifle.

 

What? You never played with an SKS? That's what they used to call them, I'm sure you know what I mean.

 

By definition an Assault Rifle is a select fire military rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge.

 

Panzerkampfwagon is correct. What you are referring to is the defunct definition of "Assault Weapon" that died with the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban. Assault rifle is not something that many own since they cost in the tens of thousands.

An Assault Weapon is basically something that looks scary, like an SKS or an AR-15 which are both just semi-automatic rifles which have been around for 100 years in different forms.

 

Do some research into how many Australians were killed due to related road deaths verses guns the year before Howard's draconian gun laws were introduced - you just might be surprised.

Is an idiot with a car any less dangerous than an idiot with a gun?

 

Ok Ok, so they could walk out with a military style, semi automatic centre fire rifle. Happy now?

 

I think he knew what you meant but the rank and file don't. They watch movies and think the auto weapons they see in the movies are what is sold in stores.

 

Unfortunately enemies can shift with the moment as witnessed by the research which shows you are at greater risk from being shot by a relative during an argument than by a stranger

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/20/us-gun-suicide-idUSBREA0J1G920140120

 

Yeah, because strangers usually don't enter into arguments between relatives. LOL

 

Thanks for making my point

 

Well, your alleged 'research' comes from gun grabbing organizations so it is about as reliable as Al Gore or the Cartoonist Cook is on AGW.

 

Sorry but Harvard University is unreliable??? American Academy of Paediatricians is unreliable? You cannot trust the New England Journal of Medicine?

There are multiple studies out there - all with the same conclusions - you are better off and safer without a gun in the house

 

Jeezzz, BB, is that the best you can do? A journalistic article about America? Did you actually read it? You have to remember Australia is not America. We have never had a 'gun culture' like they have.

 

What are you talking about? You haven't quoted any studies from any of these sources.

Rubbish!

 

Man,
if I would be cynical I would say that many of the shootings in your country happen in schools, in places where education should prevail. But thanks to guns people and kids are getting killed.....
Regards

 

Thanks Bowerbird,
I will look into it, very interesting. It gives me hope....
Cheerio

 

LOL, sure, you bet. You are not even aware of the problems in any of the studies or the uncertainties but then, appeal to authority is much of all any gun grabber has.

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You would say that they almost always happen in gun free zones based on liberal fear of guns. Keeping people helpless is a key to keeping people safe eh?

 

What? People and children are being shot in gun free zones?

 

No but thanks for asking

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1215606
http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2013/02/gun-violence.aspx
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/5/e1416.full

 

Have to laugh. No link to any study but some opinion articles and then this in your last link.