Could a re-elected Trump turn on the Republicans?

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  1. Jolly Penguin

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    1. Is Trump a conservative ideologue, or did he run as Republican because he knew it was a more likely path than running as a Democrat?

    2. If Trump is not an ideologe, and used the Republican nomination to gain the presidency in 2016, he had another potential term to run for, as presidents can serve 8 years, so still had use for the Republican party going forward at that time.

    3. Presuming a re-elected Trump doesn't go for a 3rd term, and accepts the 2 term limit for presidents, will that mean once in office he would no longer need the Republican Party?

    4. If so, then do you think there is any likelihood he turns on the Republicans, and runs his second term presidency as more of an independent? Sometimes possibly even siding with the Democrats on some issues?
     
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    I expect Trump will win and move virtually no legislation in his second term. He will do what he can do by executive order and that will be about it.
     
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    No. Trump has no power base other than the GOP base, so he can't betray us.
    Why would it be a 'betrayal' to work with reasonable Dems that hold reasonable positions that put Americans First?
     
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    Because Trump has NEVER done much that is "reasonable" unless there was something in it for him.
     
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    Once in office, how relevant is that? Can't he do whatever executive orders he wansts at that point. In this second and last term, its not like he'd run for re-election.

    It would be a betrayal of his party, if he sides against them and with the Democrats on an issue, not necessarily of the people.
     
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    I think he is very much run by his ego, and will be thinking of his legacy in his own mind. He may try to do something totally unpredictable that he thinks is popular.
     
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    He was likely to have done so in his 1st term but democrats stung by their loss to him refused to negotiate anything with him
     
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    I doubt Trump turns on the GOP party, he campaigned for a lot of republican governors and congressional candidates
     
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    You think like a Leftist.
    We don't think like you do.
    We do not put Party ahead of Country.
    If Trump is putting America First, he's not betraying us, even if we disagree with him.
     
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    Trump only puts Trump first
     
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    yes, Trump doesn't understand the art of the deal and realize both sides have to be able to walk away claiming a win, he thinks he should be the only winner.... and that is why he sucked so bad at making deals
     
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    Well Trump was Democrat for most of his life. But then again, so was RFK, and he's basically a 'nazi' now too.... Both of em are more 'right wing' now than a lot of Republicans are. I'm with Bill Marr on this one. Its not about left or right anymore, its normal vs crazy. And of course everyone thinks their side is the normal one...

    I don't expect Trump will get much done. I hope, of course, he surprises me (and everyone) by going in the second time around and firing EVERYONE and replacing them all with people we've never heard of before (or, at least, that arent already in govt) like he should've the first time. But I expect he'll hire 'the best people with the best credentials' again, people who got those credentials shilling for our corrupt establishment. But hey, at least we'll have another four years of the crazies preoccupying themselves with meaningless impeachments and Trumps tweets instead of banning everything but the kitchen stove (oh, wait...) and writing more 'let the corporate elite control everything' regulations.
     
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    Trump isn’t a conservative. He has no political ideology of his own. The seven-time party switcher has adopted whatever political philosophy of the party he belonged to at the time from being an ultra-liberal to a staunch conservative only to change his political stripes everything he switched parties. Yes, Trump was an egotistical opportunist which seized on the anger of the GOP back in 2015 and 2016. He has no conservative ideals or values, just in this for himself. Trump wouldn’t know conservatism if it hit him in the face.


    Trump will do whatever is good for himself. He doesn’t care one iota about the Republican Party or Republicans. He’s has thrown more life long conservatives under the bus than he spent battling Democrats. Trump is only interested in the title, the name of president. Governing is alien to him as he doesn’t care about that. Only in the title, the name, president.
     
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    That was what I was wondering, yes. And if this is so, then he may do something unpredictable and completely anti-conservative if he thinks it will win him praise.
     
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    Possibly, I highly doubt it. Trump, however, demands praise and loyalty from republicans or he’ll take his revenge out on them. The republican party is his own kingdom to be ruled over with a vengeance. He knows he won’t get any praise from the democrats regardless of what he does. Don’t look for any compromise or moderation from Trump. He has his subjects; he isn’t interested in gaining anymore. Trump just wants to bask in the glory of being called president.
     
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    Trump will do whatever wins him praise and furthers his financial interests. I can’t imagine there’s much of that for him furthering any interests of democrats. He’ll likely service the interests of the GOP as well as those of his more fringe base. Who ever is willing to chant his name and sing his praises the loudest will get what they want if he’s re-elected.
     
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    Trump doesn't hold anything that could be properly called a "political ideology". He is just centered on himself. However, he is definitely not a conservative. Clearly he's a fascist. But fascism isn't actually an ideology. More like a form of government. His ideology is that everything is centered on himself. I'd call it "Me-ism"

    He is a Me-ist ideologue. And he will use whatever he can use. The Republican Party has the proper balance of "Me-ist" politicians whose only objective in their political life is to get themselves re-elected and extremists who are looking for a cult-like figure to follow

    Didn't understand these questions. The Constitution doesn't allow him to run for a 3rd term. The only way he could stay out of prison would be to become a dictator for the rest of his life and do away with the Constitution. Like all dictators do. He won't succeed, of course. But even TRYING will do huge damage to the country.
     
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    Many voters like Trump specifically for the reason that he is neither a Democrat or a Republican.
     
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    Yea, he's a Trump, and that is part of his problem.

    The last president who totally pissed off his own party was John Tyler who served from 1841 to 1845. He was the vice president under William Henry Harrison who died in office after one month. Tyler twice vetoed the bill that would have given a new charter to the Bank of the United States. That piece of legislation was the centerpiece of the Whig Party platform. Tyler became "a president without a party."

    Tyler campaign pieces are virtually impossible to find. The slogan in 1840 was "Tippecanoe and Tyler too!" That did not appear on any campaign tokens. The best I have is "Go it Tip, come it Tyler."

    WHH 1840-33 All.jpg
     
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    Voters are fleeing both parties, which helps Trump because he isn't really a Republican.
     
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    It wouldn't be a 3rd term, would it? It would be the end of the US Federal Government as it's been established to date. It is clear that DFT couldn't care less how he goes down in the history books, favoring going down big and being remembered for a long time even if it's for doing infamous stuff. His base would support this come 2028. By that time the world will move toward China and the Yuan with increased excitement. Possibly even to include our most steadfast EU and UK allies.
     
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    I see that too. I think what helped him in 2016, and may now help him again is his image as a political outsider, not part of the deep state, motivated by his ego rather than party affiliation, in a two party system that many have come to resent.
     
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    I think he wants to be loved and thought of as great. This is the man who thought he could fix relations with North Korea.
     
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    Trump is no ideologue, conservative or otherwise. He's in the Republican Party because, like a businessman, he saw a market opportunity to run for President and gather a following based on a series of issues that polled very high, but were not being addressed by either party or any candidate or potential candidate: immigration, trade, reindustrialization, and China.

    Both parties left the voters who cared about such things on the table, because they were not issues that were in the financial interests of any of the donor classes that fund both parties.

    I'm not sure where you are going with the "3rd term" idea. I doubt there is going to be a 2nd term, but even if there is, he can't run again for any third term.
     
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    As long as they are fleeing the fascist/socialist Democrat dictatorship Party, it’s fine by me.
     
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