Could Friedrich Nietzce and Ayn Rand find any better friend then the Religious Right?

One common term used by the religious right is Job Creators. These are the people who willed themselves to power. Because of these people success and strength they should be the ones to make the decisions of what is best for society. The workers and takers should be thankful and let the job creators do whatever it is they do.

This school of thought isn’t something new in philosophy. Friedrich Nietzche who is famously known for saying “God is Dead” is the father for that exact belief the religious right prescribes to. He thought the aristocratic class gave meaning to society. These where the people who were the ubermensch, They were the masters of society who willed to power. The common people where the slave society who should want to be ruled by the ubermensch. They didn’t have the value of power, instead they valued pity, humility, friendship and patience. If this slave society according to Nietzche where allowed to rule society would collapse.

And of course Ayn Rand, The mother of selfishness. Why does one need morality? What do you gain from altruism? You cant walk into a tea party book store and not walk out with 20 copies of her work. Not to mention she is also an abortion loving atheist.

So what gives?

 

Paul Ryan, who claims to be in tight with the Religious Right, said that his greatest philosophical influence was Ayn Rand....


who said "Faith is the worst curse of mankind, as the exact antithesis and enemy of thought."

 

god what an atheist.

 

There are indeed a lot of false priests about and in my humble Christian opinion a lot of them are found within the religious right whose propagandists are unfortunately very successful at seducing a lot of people.
Of course their flock will happily return the insult at 'Hippie-Christians' such as me and this Catholic Priest in the Colbert Report:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...-social-justice---james-martin?xrs=share_copy

 

I think it safe to say that neither Nietzsche or Rand would have had a friend in Jesus.

 

I'm no fan of either of them, and I'm not sure if atheists on this forum consider me to be part of the religious right.

How could any Christian believe altruism is not a virtue?

 

You need to look at Rand as an extremist who had admirable ideals. Her philosophy of selfishness is the engine that drives progress. I don't recall ever reading her work as to endorse treating people badly rather she championed absolute freedom for the individual. Freedom also allows one the ability to be altruistic, as opposed to having a government confiscate wealth to redistribute.

 

This sentence is by the way a very paradox statement - because it is itselve a propagandistic indoctrination and an enemy of a thoughtful conversation. What I learned now about the basics of her philosophy would not allow Mrs. Rosenbaum - Ayn Rand - to use such stupid prejudices. If you like to refer to her atheism then maybe a quote like the following quote expresses in a much better way her philosophy:

From the smallest necessity to the highest religious abstraction, from the wheel to the skyscraper, everything we are and everything we have comes from one attribute of man - the function of his reasoning mind.

Nevertheless - if I understand her in the right way - she also believed in an objective reality - what is existing independent from human beings and their thoughts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byebhcvS3f0

 

So you can see - the ladies and gentlemen from the movement called "tea party" have a wider spectrum than your own spectrum seems to be - while you seem to think they are idiots only. What a waste. What could the USA be if it would be a more friendly nation and use all talents? Life was by the way also in the centre of the philosophy of Mrs. Ayn Rand. Did she really support abortions? ... I guess I have really to learn a little more what this Lady said and did. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7K4jH7NqUw

 

I didnt say they where idiots I'm saying they are taking up philosophical ideals which are contrary to their religious ones, and to top it off, these ideals come from atheist. Show me one tea partier who disavows Ayn Rand and i'll show you a stastical outlier.

Also if you mean one's OWN life is the "centre" of her Philosophy then yes. She disavowed altruism " if civilization is to survive, it is the altruist morality that men have to reject." Selfishness is the key to her moral code.

Ayn Ran 1 year before Roe V Wade said
"An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn). Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered."

Aquinas and Augistine should be the Religious Rights hero they tout not Neitzche and Rand. if Aquinas was alive today he'd die from a heart attack with all this junk the religious right spouts.

 

Who's to say he's wrong? There's no "God" or higher power out there to prove him wrong.

The mother of atheism taken to its true conclusion.

An atheist doesn't need either. A slave owner, a serial rapist like Sandusky, and someone who spends their life feeding the poor - all just go to the grave when they die. So if the rapist, or the slave owner lived happier or more comfortably doing what they do, then they made the smarter decision - than the idiot who wasted their time helping the poor at their own expense - the only difference between the 3 is that the person who helped the poor had a harder life, and got nothing of it.

People also have no inherent worth - they're just a collection of molecules with no souls according to atheism, and not really any more special than any other organism, like a cat or a dog.

Any atheists who believes that altruism or morality has a purpose believes so based on faith, not evidence.

The Tea Party has its atheists.

She's more of an atheist than any liberal 'atheist'.

Ayn Rand and Nietzsche are just atheism taken to a logical conclusion.

 

Honestly I don't care if people are atheists, however other than nihilistic atheists like Ayn Rand or Nietzsche, atheists do believe in faith-based morality. They might eliminate "god" from the equation but the entire concepts of 'altruism' are faith-based every bit as much as any religion. The hypocrisy of the liberal atheists on this is what gets me.

 

Another notable serial rapist: David Koresh.

 

Not sure point your addressing

Mother of atheism? hardly

Common mistake. Philosophical discovery isn't a evidence based science like creation vs evolution nor is morality or "altruism" faith based as much as any religion. there's no hypocrisy, just a lack of understanding on your part. Taking pragmatic philosophical approaches to address societal problems requires no faith we are social animals. Altruism is just as common among wild animals as it is humans which even warrented a spot in evolutionary biology as their happens to be evolutionary advantages to it.

excellent point.

to their own philosophies