Counterrevolution in Ukraine: Pro-Russians rise up

Massive rallies in East Ukraine. Police Stations and Intelligence HQ taken over.

People setting up road blocks and barriers from tires.. Stockpiling Molotov cocktails.

This time it seems to be very serious.



Right Sector Neo-Nazis beg for mercy on their knees after getting captured

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Ukraine: 200,000 Anti-Government Protesters Converge On Central Square Of Kiev

"Violent police dispersals" Sound familiar SG?

" The unrest began on 15 March 2011, with popular protests that grew nationwide by April 2011 In April 2011, the Syrian Army was deployed to quell the uprising and soldiers fired on demonstrators across the country.[75] After months of military sieges,[76] the protests evolved into an armed rebellion. "

You just love it when governments use lethal force on their own people don't you. Next thing will be you calling the protestors in the Ukraine Al Qaeda.

 

Outside agitators are at work in Ukraine, just like so many places around the globe.
Unfortunately, they are NOT all financed by Islamist or Moscow.
The West is doing their destabilizing efforts too.
What happened to the "Good Guys"? Where are they? Who are they? No longer by assumption.


Moi

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Thanks for the videos, our corporate medias would never show them. It wouldn't fit into their agendas. Anyway in the first video it seems they were being protected from the protesters by the police. I do know that the Russian forces along the border have been having some very intense drills. I also know from a Greek site that the 'junta' in Kiev gave some Soviet missile designs to Turkey yesterday, mind you and this at a time when Turkey is threatening Greece and helping the jihadi animals kill Armenian and Syrian civilians in Latakia.

It seems the talks between Kerry and the Saudi prince revolved around Syria and they agreed that Assad cannot be allowed to stay. .. Yet they are fully aware that the majority of Syrians would vote for him. I guess this is what you call democracy American style.

 

I watched news today. Only RT reported this. NBC, ABC and alike talked about Malaysian lost airplane, a baby rescued and sports...only. It was not hard to predict. Maidan boys will run away from Kiev and hide in EU. It was a foreign intrusion, Ukrainian and Russian people are the same people.

 

ABC News


Pro-Russians Storm Ukraine Government Buildings

I'd be interested to see how 200,000 people will be able to hide anywhere but, whatever you say. Just don't bullshat us on how you couldn't find the news please.

 

Ukraine is a divided country. The people in the Western part of Ukraine who were under the Pope and were part of Poland and Austria have nothing in common with the rest of the country which is Orthodox and has always been united with Russia. Yanukovich was from the Eastern part and was voted in by a majority. The Maidan protesters were from the Western part and mostly from the city of Lviv, which was ready to declare independence and unite with Poland before the coup kicked out Yanukovich and they came into power. So what you have now is an alien minority government in Ukraine which in normal circumstances would be a recipe for disaster, but considering the country is going bankrupt, makes it even worse.

I remember that at the beginning of the protests, an announcer on TV said that among the people going to Maidan were many Poles and Lithuanians. From what I read, the U.S. has spent five billion these past ten years to get Ukraine to gear towards the E.U., but it seems it was to no avail because the majority never voted for a Western candidate.

In a telephone conversation between Nuland and the American Ambasador it came out that we were behind the whole thing. I know the protesters in Kiev were being paid because they weren't trust fund kids the way our occupy Wall Streeters were, they all came from the poorest areas in Ukraine. To be honest, I thought it was our government paying them, but the German poster Markus said it was Merkel.

Anyway this is why the Russian army is sitting there. They know the people will not stand to have their gas prices go up fifty percent and the pensions go down probably the same amount. Especially the people in the East and South who knew that Yanukovich wouldn't accept the IMF terms.

 

I am glad Ukrainians are taking matter in their own hands. Help of " topless Putin on horseback" ( favorite picture of Putin in USA media) is not needed. One officer, who fought Bandera in Carpathia, told me about those Ukrainians. Indeed, they were different people. By the way, that officer was a German, serving in the Soviet Russian army. I hope EU will take care of them, they have no business in Kiev.

 

Ukrainians are NOT taking matters in their own hands.
Ukrainians are being manipulated by so many outside interests they can hardly be considered to be "taking matters in their own hands".
Turkey, Russia, E.U. , have spent energy on directing Ukraine's internal affairs. True?
How can they possibly take matters in their own hands with so much selfish, outside influences?


Moi
Ukraine = Russia

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Al Jazeera reported this story ignored by the American news media.


Al Jazeera has become my most trusted news network.
Ten years ago if they had to say Israel you could lip read a muttering of "death to Israel", etc.
Today, when called for they have Israeli government ministers and citizens respectfully being interviewed.
If there were an Edward R. Morrow Award for Excellent Journalism and Investigative Reporting
It would go to Al Jazeera hands down.
There investigative pieces are also good although not always entertaining. I do look forward to "Borderland"
and whether it will provoke humanitarian changes as "Harvest of Shame" by Morrow did in its' day.

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but have there ever been an example of a small nation 'taking matters in their own hand' at all ?

 

Here are two

1) The 13 British colonies forming the United States of America. No outside involvement or support until late 1777 and the victory at the Battle of Saratoga.

2) Israel. People forget although there was a 2/3rds vote by the UN General Assembly for the Partition of Palestine, there were No UN forces to guarantee that partition.
Although America gave diplomatic support to Israel, there was no real military support until NIXON.
Until the 6 Day War, America observed the Arab boycott. Especially regarding the SALE of military hardware.

Do those two examples count?



Moi

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Meh the whole thing is pretty stupid , Ukraine does not need to be adopted by Brussels robbers .

 

I will not be as easy. The unrest is based mainly in the East. South will be driven soon as economy is collapsing. The rest are under heavy propaganda. Western people are not an exclusion. Ukrainians are also told that there is a war in Crimea between Ukraine and Russia. And all the russian people whatever is their country are patriots.
I would say that the uprising in the east makes a tough choice for junta in Kiev. They can invade and try to drown it in the blood. But firstly they will be for sure driven to the other side of the ocean by a counterstrike of russian army. Secondly there is no guarantee that the troops will obey junta. They might lose even those who are uprising against oilgarchs and western puppets...
I don't know what it will end with, but for sure no western leader will spread cookies in Donetsk, Kharkov or Lugansk... They know that there is no place for them there.

 

Most worrying part for Russia and East Ukrainians is that the plague of Ukrainian nationalism has spread from a small area of West Ukraine to Central Ukraine. If nothing is done, then eventually it will take over Eastern Ukraine too. For example Kiev 20 years ago was pro-Russian and 90% Russian speaking. The ideas of Ukrainian nationalism have taken over that city and now it votes like it is part of West Ukraine. Now it is spreading to Poltava and Odessa.

In 1991 90% of University degrees were earned in Russian language
in 2013 it is 89% in favor of Ukrainian language

in 1991 55% of Public schools were instructed in Russian
in 2013 it is only 25%

There is plenty of reasons for Russian speaking Ukrainians to worry. What is more alarming is that there are some very prominent Ukrainian Right Sector nationalists coming from Eastern Ukraine. Like Dmitro Yarosh. USSR should not have joined Western Ukraine to the original areas of Soviet Ukraine. I have read that after WW II , the Soviets believed they could calm the Western Ukraine by joining it with the Soviet part of Ukraine. What they found is that the reverse happened, with ideas of Western Ukrainian nationalism began to infect the Eastern Ukrainian population.

If the Soviets had not annexed Western Ukraine from Poland, it is likely that Eastern Ukraine would be part of Russia right now, or at least a very pro-Russian oriented nation like Belarus.

 

In Dnipropetrovsk one of the Russian protestors have bitten hand of Ukrainian nationalist
http://www.056.ua/news/510713

 

As usual, pertinent analysis.

 

Probebly worth its own thread but this is faster :

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26919928

Here we go....

 

This is not yet even a start I am afraid...

 

Top Ukrainian Interior Ministry General in Donetsk came inside a captured government building. He declared he is with the people. He will not use force and same goes for his 17000 followers. He will hand in resignation papers if needed.

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Hey it doesn't look as peaceful as it should be and have already been:


You know, who are blamed for not helping the current junta government by Euromaidan? Policemen... Are you still expecting them to win?

 

Nice to see SG feeding the hand that pets Bashir. Good to know that she believes in returning a favor for a favor, even if she really cares less what happens in the Ukraine.

 

Russia supports Syria

Syria supports Russia

Simple as that.

 

Fits quite nicely. Russia claimed it needed to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine and we can see it is the Ukraines that need protection from Russians. There was never any threat against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Russia made that up to justify occupying Crimea.

 

thirteen colonies - a bit too much for being referred as 'small nation' already.

huh, as for these, they took matters in their own hands all over the World, not only Israel.