"Courage"- a Catholic organization helping homosexuals

I can't think of too many other things that are a stupid as an attempt by certain Religious Groups to PRAY AWAY THE GAY!! LOL!!!

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Yeah there isn't any discussion occurring here.

Was silhouette here? I saw him in another board in complete denial.

 

It's not even pray the gay away. It's, "you're powerless, God just has to fix you. If he doesn't, (*)(*)(*)(*) off and die God obviously doesn't give half a (*)(*)(*)(*) about you. If he did, he'd fix you. Your powerless. There isn't anything wrong with our cockimamie programs."

 

say that to folks who have been helped by AA

also, one must accept the faith that one is "born homosexual" and cannot change in order to deem "Courage" as having no chance.

Study after study has never been able to prove that being homosexual is anything other than a choice just like addictions.

 

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saying I was born sexually attracted to the same gender is like saying I was born sexually attracted to my sister

 

All you have is a strawman fallacy.

Your statement had nothing to do with my post. I would say you could argue thus honestly but you don't hold an honest position.

 

who you get a boner for is not genetically hardwired in..... at least you haven't been able to prove that.

 

Okay.

Attention nobody, wishful thinking is not effective therapy. And to those that pretend thus voodoo helped you, you really helped yourself, with frankly zero help from anybody, congratulations.

No you don't have to accept any such faith. All you really have to do is look at the program. It basically says "pray that God makes you heterosexual.

You can believe homosexuality is nothing but a cognitive choice and still know that this program is a fraud.

Imaginary studies aren't relevant.

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Never claimed that. Why would I have to prove something I didn't claim? Do you not understand logical conversation?

 

Have you ever heard the phrase "God helps those who help themselves"?

That is what AA and "Courage" are about. There is no magic wand nor can counselors wave a magic wand. One must be at the point where they accept that their chosen homosexual lifestyle is wrong, and that they want to kick the habit. It is only then that support and encouragement can help people find their way out of the darkness and into the light of a rich, full and normal life.

 

it's like a black conservative is immediately labeled an "uncle tom" in order to dismiss and marginalize them....


gays that don't want to stay gay or had success with conversion therapy, must immediately marginalized themselves by the movement.

"How dare someone that IS gay, actually think they can change and WANT help. That MUST NOT be allowed, so we should ban ALL avenues in which they can voluntarily seek out that desired help " ~every gay person

 

Yes, yet another argument against this program. The phrase isn't "God helps those who seek voodoo magic healing."

No, they are about recruiting weak minded people.

Or legitimate science, counseling, or real help what so ever, I know. These programs are proven failures. They have nothing.

Than any program is completely useless at this point.

Basically it's required that you do everything in your own and then come to these meetings for cookies and punch.

You have admitted this program is pointless.

And how does the program fit into this?

They don't offer therapy, they don't offer legitimate counseling, it's not based on science or magic. So what is it?

It sounds like it's going to be a great way for guys to hook up with other guys. All it is by your own admission is a group of gay people together. That's called a gay club in normal people words.

 

You nailed it. Is it envy, who knows? I have witnessed several friends do quite well when their companies were purchased. I was not jealous, I was happy for them.

Why can't other homosexuals be happy for those who leave the lifestyle and return to normalcy? Why can they not rejoice in the happiness of others?

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Are you envious of those bold people who have cast aside years of gay sex and returned to a normal life?

 

Envious of a gay hook up group supported by a church? If you say so.

 

I'm not saying ban church sponsored gay hookup... I mean avenues for people to join cults... I mean, um, admitted by the op, pointless clubs that the op can't explain what they are for.

I am just asking what is the point of this?

 

I am not sure of what article you are reading. This thread is about guiding people away from their addiction to gay sex and leading a normal, fulfilling, heterosexual life.

 

The majority of Gays already do live normal, fulfilling lives. Why are you claiming they don't?

 

because some don't... and they want to take charge of that and improve themselves, and you are suggesting we outlaw all options for them to get support they desire.


Just because you deem they don't need fixing, doesn't mean they deem themselves as not needing fixing.

 

No, they are free to go to a church and use FAITH based healing all they want. It isn't legitimate therapy.

Many deem themselves needing fixing because of folks like yourself that can't let them be and instead shame them into thinking otherwise. Pathetic really that Cons have to shame someone to agree with them.

 

why did you omit the word "heterosexual ?


the correct term would be........normal, fulfilling, heterosexual life.

to try and suggest that being within a behavior group which accounts for about 3% of the population is anything but abnormal is simply dishonest.

 

Nope that is YOUR opinion, I know most homosexuals lead a normal, fulfilling, homosexual life. Your opinion doesn't mean anything to me or them. You are entitled to it, but that is all it is.

Nobody is 100% completely normal when compared to some figure. Why is so important that you label someone abnormal? Do you feel empowered in trying to demean someone else?

 

I've admitted numerous times that I am abnormal about many things

Being abnormal is simply a classifier of facts

example, most "normal" people do not climb trees and use cat-like maneuvers to trim the branches with their chainsaw.

Most "normal" people would call an expert with a cherry picker rather than risk falling out ( I rope myself in btw)

I am not offended because I'm "abnormal". Why should homosexuals be offended because they are "abnormal" ?

 

Because you refer to their ENTIRE life as abnormal. Look at your previous quote. You are saying they can't live normal homosexual lives. Living isn't solely determined by sexuality. Why were you offended over saying they live normal homosexual lives?

 

OK, first, I'm not offended at all and I'll let you in on a secret. I could care less about how you choose to have sex and hopefully you could care less about how I choose to have sex.

If I were to go into the microcosm of the Tenderloin or Castro district within San Fran then being a heterosexual, in that small area, would make me "abnormal"

"Normal" in that area is living the homosexual lifestyle.

and with respect to "their entire life"..........................it is not I who uses the term "gay marriage" or "gay rights" or "first gay mayor" or "first openly gay NFL player" etc etc etc

I do not identify myself by what I do with my jimmy but it sure seems that is what homosexuals do.

In the big picture, with 96.4% living the heterosexual life, that qualifies as "normal"

 

Sure you do, you have said you wouldn't allow two gay men to adopt. No matter what, you have dictated their whole life to their being homosexual. You and others do it each day.

And those that live a homosexual life are also living a normal life. You again choose to dictate that their life being "normal" or not is due to their sexuality.

Again, I have shown where you use homosexuality to dictate someone's life. So yes, you are defining someone by their sexuality and you have done it in threads here as well.

 

look, this thread is about a service provided for those homosexuals who want to kick the habit and live full and rich, normal heterosexual lives.

If you wish to create a thread about 2 homosexuals conceiving a child with each other then I'd be happy to weigh in on that thread