CPAC 2023: Vivek Ramaswamy counters MTG on national divorce, suggests 'revival'

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    "We're not gonna get national unity when somebody shows up with a proverbial bill, saying that 'can't we all hold hands ... come along Kumbaya' — that ship has sailed a long time ago,'" he said. "You get national security in this country by embracing the extremism, the radicalism of the ideals that set this nation into motion 250 years ago."

    He cited free speech, merit, open debate, and more as "radical ideas" distinct from how much of human history was governed.

    Ramaswamy also scoffed at the notion that the divide in the U.S. is between Republicans and Democrats, insisting it was between the "managerial class and the everyday citizen."…

    …Ramaswamy unveiled a new policy push to "shut down the FBI in America" and create something new to take its place. He also favors eliminating the Department of Education….






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    This self made son of immigrants is right on here. He’s an author and entrepreneur and makes great points about achieving national unity and identity. He’s calling out the three pagan religions of the woke cancel culture secular progressive left that seek to divide rather than unite us.
     
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    He’s an America first populist who opposes woke and ESG ideology.

     
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    What does any of that mean in practical application?
     
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    It seems pretty clear to all who actually listen to what he said, like calling out squad member Rep. Presley D-Ma. Who said that we don’t need more brown people who don’t think and speak like brown people and the lgbtq media that denied a gay Republican tech entrepreneur was really gay because he spoke at Trumps GOP convention.
     
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    Nothing shows hypocrisy than to use "woke language" and defund the police arguments on federal law enforcement agencies. those policies are not going to get him far in the general election, if by a miracle, beats trump and becomes the GOP nominee. He will be challenged to the corps and shown that hypocrisy.

    Getting rid of the Department of Education has not gotten past first base in the 118th Congress, House, right now. And there is no plan what to do with the loans and Pell Grants, which makes up most of the Department of Education.
     
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    Put the money into block grants to the states and reintegrate education with health and welfare again.
     
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    But that would mean some agency would have to administer those grants, manage the disbursement of those block grants, create general rules on who can get them, etc. No other agency can do that or will do that, not even the Treasury Department. But that is what the Department of Ed does. Somehow, Vivek think the Department of Ed in the Federal government controls education, it does not. It has set minimum standards, it has provided loans and grants for those who wish to continue their higher education, it has created block grants to help improve education in which those grants are either sent directly to the school or to the states in which they administer the disbursement. so, in reality, you get rid of the name only, but the core functions are still the same, just in another department. Not much money is saved there, is it?
     
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    Vivek knows that the Dept of Ed does, but he also knows that the people he's talking to have no idea.
     
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    A real substantive change of course would, at this point, require transferring all the revenue directly into vested targeted use accounts owned by individual Americans.
    Any RP or DP politicians who tables a detailed plan for accomplishing that kind of change will not need to run ads to win an election.
     
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    This begs the question of whether Vivek actually wants to get rid of the department AND all the functions therein to "save money" which would hurt more common Americans than one realizes, or he is playing a con game that DJT does in his political statements?

    Personally, I don't think he has thought this through. He is using buzzwords with multiple connotations and emotion psychology to try to get the nomination instead of developing a detailed, or somewhat detailed, proposal that will do what he promises and the effects therein. Hence why we have so many problems in today's politics. People use words to try to convey ideas instead of using Ideas with words to show what their true intentions are.
     
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    We have those already from Coverdell Accounts to 529 accounts and so forth. And it still does not work to the effect you are intending to.
     
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    He's playing a con game to the dozens of people at CPAC. It's obvious.
     
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    It was called the HEW, Health, Education, and Welfare before Carter rewarded the national teachers union.
     
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    I was a young adult when Carter carved education out of HEW and created another bureaucratic nightmare. I understand that educations federal role can be reintegrated into where it was and so does he and most of us
     
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    Considering the GOP also want to get rid of Health and Human Services, HUD, and a couple of other agencies including, in all irony, DHS. Although education was part of the HEW, several other agencies were with that as well, or their functions were transferred to "newly created" agencies. HEW was reorganized into a cabinet level Department from 1953 to 1973. Department of Education and Department of Health and Human Services became cabinet-level members afterward in Carter. Prior to HEW, it was called the Department of Education and Welfare under Warren G Harding in 1923.

    Department of Education was created under an act in 1979 and made a cabinet-level position through an Act of Congress.
    Department of Health and Human Services was created by an act of Congress in 1980.
    Housing and Urban Development, was created in 1965, also under an act of Congress.
     
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    It was Congress, Carter may have signed the legislation, but the beginnings came from Congress.
     

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